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I'm not.

The public deserve to be treated like fools because they have asked for it.

I for one did not let anyone stop me from doing whatever I wanted to do last Christmas.
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Yes. But not surprised.

I didn't vote for any of these failures and I'm not even in the same country as these failures. Dunno how that means I've asked for this.
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It's definitely frustrating. Obviously it might seem irrelevant to visit your family because it's not even that many people meeting up. Personally, I also didn't follow government regulation, but that's because my extended family and I live fairly close and were all negative at the time. However, lawmakers do need to set an example, so I can understand the incentive to criticise.
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i am surprised no photos have emerged from the alleged parties. the press would pay megabucks to see a picture of Boris playing pass the parcel with a young filly.
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the memes are quite good
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I kinda wish they would get over it and focus on stopping the situation getting worse now, rather then fixate on this party.
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I kinda wish they would get over it and focus on stopping the situation getting worse now, rather then fixate on this party.
It's no good that the opposition are useless and demanding for restrictions. Personally I'm liking Richard Tice.
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No one's really thinking through this logically nor coherently. The solutions doesn't have to be either no lockdown or a complete lockdown; the UK government hires a lot of specialists in many fields, e.g. sociology, public health, but for some odd reasons the politicians couldn't rely on them efficiently. Likewise, it shouldn't be surprising that they are breaking their own rules — they are aware that some of them are off, yet still upheld them 'publicly.' Whatever goes on in the backdrop and their minds.
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I'm not.

The public deserve to be treated like fools because they have asked for it.

I for one did not let anyone stop me from doing whatever I wanted to do last Christmas.
"I for one did not let anyone stop me from doing whatever I wanted to do last Christmas."

Speaks a lot for character, frankly. Just because some rich yob disobeys the rules, doesn't mean the rules don't have merit. I hardly see how Boris having a chuff with his lads impacts someone dying from COVID out somewhere in the rural north who never met them or partied with them, at least directly. The way it does impact it is through people like you who use the misdoings of gutless politicians to motivate your own actions.

By-and-large, the rules aren't just thought up by some yellow-haired ****- they're thought up by scientists and have some realism to them. Politicians (that somehow we elect- ask the idiots who vote for them) then tweak these rules to suit their interests, apply them, and choose whether or not to follow them themselves.

Isolating is common sense- wearing a mask is common sense- it doesn't take 8 years of BSc, MSci, and PhD, to know that a mesh of fibres can stop a virus-containing droplet from passing through your schnozzle. Most rules were thought up by educated folk far beyond your paygrade or mine.

"One rule for us one rule for the rest of them" doesn't mean the rules aren't useful and should be ignored- it means that the "us" part of that should be reconsidered and removed.

On that note, all this lockdown business could be easily avoided. If people took more care travelling, if people regularly tested (we do get free lateral flows) and if people actually put more effort into noting if they've caught it or transmitted it, and if people regularly distanced and masked instead of treating it as some sort of nuisance and abeyance of their human rights, I doubt we'd be in this situation.

Before I travelled abroad this summer, I took a PCR* test before flying, I took a lateral flow every day before flying, and I took LFTs every day after landing in my destination, a PCR before coming back, and every day after getting back for 2 weeks, with a PCR after landing, too. It's called collective responsibility. Collective. I also take tests whenever I feel as though I've passed one of the lesser sorts who don't mask (after 3-4 days) just to be sure I didn't get anything from them- at this point, I associate masking with a state of a persons character, frankly.

By and large, government policy is a shambles, and they've meticulously failed with a lot of this pandemic. But is that all their fault? No, as this thread points out- the public is also at fault. Not everything is black and white, not every rule and recommendation is garbage, and just because some politician is a *****, it doesn't mean we should abandon our collective responsibilities.
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"I for one did not let anyone stop me from doing whatever I wanted to do last Christmas."

Speaks a lot for character, frankly. Just because some rich yob disobeys the rules, doesn't mean the rules don't have merit. I hardly see how Boris having a chuff with his lads impacts someone dying from COVID out somewhere in the rural north who never met them or partied with them, at least directly. The way it does impact it is through people like you who use the misdoings of gutless politicians to motivate your own actions.

By-and-large, the rules aren't just thought up by some yellow-haired ****- they're thought up by scientists and have some realism to them. Politicians (that somehow we elect- ask the idiots who vote for them) then tweak these rules to suit their interests, apply them, and choose whether or not to follow them themselves.

Isolating is common sense- wearing a mask is common sense- it doesn't take 8 years of BSc, MSci, and PhD, to know that a mesh of fibres can stop a virus-containing droplet from passing through your schnozzle. Most rules were thought up by educated folk far beyond your paygrade or mine.

"One rule for us one rule for the rest of them" doesn't mean the rules aren't useful and should be ignored- it means that the "us" part of that should be reconsidered and removed.

On that note, all this lockdown business could be easily avoided. If people took more care travelling, if people regularly tested (we do get free lateral flows) and if people actually put more effort into noting if they've caught it or transmitted it, and if people regularly distanced and masked instead of treating it as some sort of nuisance and abeyance of their human rights, I doubt we'd be in this situation.

Before I travelled abroad this summer, I took a test before flying, I took a lateral flow every day before flying, and I took LFTs every day after landing in my destination, and every day after getting back for 2 weeks. It's called collective responsibility. Collective.

By and large, government policy is a shambles, and they've meticulously failed with a lot of this pandemic. But is that all their fault? No, as this thread points out- the public is also at fault. Not everything is black and white, not every rule and recommendation is garbage, and just because some politician is a *****, it doesn't mean we should abandon our collective responsibilities.
I'm not going to cower over a virus with a 1-2% mortality rate. Man up.
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I'm not going to cower over a virus with a 1-2% mortality rate. Man up.
And the phrase "Man up" is another testament to character. Not a great thing to say considering societal norms are evolving and gender isn't necessarily a big chonky brewster man with muscles the size of a sun, and a dainty child-producing woman.

It doesn't take a degree to know that 1-2% of 8 billion is 80-160 million. That's more than the population of the UK, dead.
It also doesn't take a degree to understand that viruses mutate, and we've seen how the original variant turned into that other nonsensical one which has a higher mortality rate (not the total sum, but the mortality per unit persons.)
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"I for one did not let anyone stop me from doing whatever I wanted to do last Christmas."

Speaks a lot for character, frankly. Just because some rich yob disobeys the rules, doesn't mean the rules don't have merit. I hardly see how Boris having a chuff with his lads impacts someone dying from COVID out somewhere in the rural north who never met them or partied with them, at least directly. The way it does impact it is through people like you who use the misdoings of gutless politicians to motivate your own actions.

By-and-large, the rules aren't just thought up by some yellow-haired ****- they're thought up by scientists and have some realism to them. Politicians (that somehow we elect- ask the idiots who vote for them) then tweak these rules to suit their interests, apply them, and choose whether or not to follow them themselves.

Isolating is common sense- wearing a mask is common sense- it doesn't take 8 years of BSc, MSci, and PhD, to know that a mesh of fibres can stop a virus-containing droplet from passing through your schnozzle. Most rules were thought up by educated folk far beyond your paygrade or mine.

"One rule for us one rule for the rest of them" doesn't mean the rules aren't useful and should be ignored- it means that the "us" part of that should be reconsidered and removed.
Technically, as the de jure leader of the country I think he should at least serve as an example. If anything, his own actions undermines the importance of the rules his government made.

What definitely bothers me is that, yes, the rules have merit on their own, but being the UK with its impressive historical achievements and wealth of brains, you'd expect them to be tailored to work best with the UK's situation (culture, mindset, economical situation, etc.). I'd say that whatever responses the UK's public had differs greatly from those in Asian countries; the level of compliance and whatnot. In my humble opinion, the US is somewhat doing a tad better than how Boris's government responded — being realistic with the situation and showing ounces of professionalism.
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I mean I wouldn't normally care about the cabinet doing charlie at Bozza's ordinarily, because they're grown adults they can do whatever and they're not the gov that made coke illegal, but they are the ones who imposed fines and other proceedings against people who broke rules they came up with, and had no regard for themselves so it's a little galling for sure.
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And the phrase "Man up" is another testament to character. Not a great thing to say considering societal norms are evolving and gender isn't necessarily a big chonky brewster man with muscles the size of a sun, and a dainty child-producing woman.

It doesn't take a degree to know that 1-2% of 8 billion is 80-160 million. That's more than the population of the UK, dead.
It also doesn't take a degree to understand that viruses mutate, and we've seen how the original variant turned into that other nonsensical one which has a higher mortality rate (not the total sum, but the mortality per unit persons.)
There are only two genders and these are biologically determined by male and female sex chromosomes.

Viruses mutate and weaken over time.

660.000-1.320.000 million of the UK population. Stop being hysterical and exaggerating. Also that figure could be greatly reduced if people looked after themselves and changed their lifestyle habits. In any case, life is full of risk. There are things that are riskier and deadlier than so called virus you know.
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There are only two genders and these are biologically determined by male and female sex chromosomes.

Viruses mutate and weaken over time.

660.000-1.320.000 million of the UK population. Stop being hysterical and exaggerating. Also that figure could be greatly reduced if people looked after themselves and changed their lifestyle habits. In any case, life is full of risk. There are things that are riskier and deadlier than so called virus you know.
I was using the world population (or close to it), if it's that hard to read- 8\times{10}^{9} and not \approx{7\times{10}^{7}}. If it's not obvious, this pandemic isn't endemic to the UK or a constrained region- it's a pandemic. Being hysterical/exaggerating would be making up some of my own statistics- here I'm just using your value of 1-2% and applying it to the world population, most of which does not have the medical care and facilities that we do (though a lot of it is doing better than we are, frankly.)

The mindset of limiting ones estimates for a death toll to a locality is a method of watering the issue down. No one has died inside my flat: thus zero persons have died. Problem solved

On the note of viruses though, the exact trend (mutation vs. the outcome of the mutation) depends on the exact family (in the non-taxonomic sense) of virus. There's a reason that we have to get new vaccine strains set up every year for influenza, and not for measles. I study physics, not vaccinology, but I do know that (from my A-Levels in bio a while back) mutations can go either which way- it isn't a blank "Viruses weaken over time." Delta was more contagious, replicated faster (not on the population scale- inside the actual human) than the original, and resulted in a larger mortality than the original strain they identified back ways-when in Wuhan.

"Viruses mutate and weaken over time" is a blanket unscientific generalisation, at least for the last three words- it's quite literally half right.

Looking after oneself is a necessity for anything, and the pandemic doesn't change that whatsoever. Folk die from cancer plentifully due to various comorbidities, many of them brought on by smoking or other lifestyle factors. Type 2 diabetes, child obesity, adult obesity, various mental health illnesses brought on through association to these- these are all problems preventable by lifestyle change. The reality of it, though, is that these problems exist, and these problems aren't going away, and these problems do increase the mortality rate for many illnesses and viruses, including COVID.

I never said nor mentioned that other things exist that aren't comparable in mortality to COVID. I do believe that living life and living with COVID is a necessity at some point. What I loathe is the fact that folk like yourself openly support letting an airborne virus with a mortality of ~1,2% run rampant through the world without properly having people adapt to it, properly having people take precautions against it- it's watering down the real risk of a very real deadly disease.

You're free to vote for politicians that you think will make the right choices. By all means, vote away Boris and his lot- people really should start to see the real side of that colossal ****. It is amoral, however, to indulge in the luxuries of society without conforming to the rules that make it up, and it is amoral to not take precaution to protect those around you.
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There are only two genders and these are biologically determined by male and female sex chromosomes.

Viruses mutate and weaken over time.

660.000-1.320.000 million of the UK population. Stop being hysterical and exaggerating. Also that figure could be greatly reduced if people looked after themselves and changed their lifestyle habits. In any case, life is full of risk. There are things that are riskier and deadlier than so called virus you know.
Also a separate thing about gender (I forgot to mention it in the other post- sorry.)

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1
"Harmful gender norms – especially those related to rigid notions of masculinity – can also affect boys and men’s health and wellbeing negatively. For example, specific notions of masculinity may encourage boys and men to smoke, take sexual and other health risks, misuse alcohol and not seek help or health care. Such gender norms also contribute to boys and men perpetrating violence – as well as being subjected to violence themselves. They can also have grave implications for their mental health."

As a society we're evolving, especially socially. Gender is losing its meaning as referring to sex, which is as you've stated, male or female (destined by birth via XX or XY, in the case of humans.) I expect in the future we'll get taught this in school (I was, though I expect that's not the same for everyone, clearly.)
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Couldn’t care less tbh

Don’t expect anyone to 100% follow what they say.
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Hope they had head aches in the morning.
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My anger is at a Prime Minister who through not acting in a timely manner and being metaphorically asleep on the job, has led to 20,000 plus deaths that could have been avoided.

Harold Shipman caused less harm.
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