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Reply 1

Yes, they do that.

Reply 2

How do you know that?

Reply 3

I think they can strap you down and take a DNA sample if you doh give it to them.

Reply 4

i believe that they dont inject you they just use force by grabbing your finger but you are allowed a lawyer

Reply 5

They can't take them without a court order, or without charging you with something, right? Although if you're a suspect and you didn't do it, it'd be against you to resist.

Reply 6

It'd be quite fun to refuse actually, see what happens :p: With the state of the media influence nowadays, I'm sure the Daily Mail would get the entire country (and all other newspapers) on my side :wink:

Reply 7

LastLordofTime
They can't take them without a court order, or without charging you with something, right? Although if you're a suspect and you didn't do it, it'd be against you to resist.

They can take fingerprint and DNA records if you're arrested, regardless of whether you're charged or not. Even if you're found innocent of any charges, their policy is generally to keep them, to the extent that someone actually had to go all the way to the European Court of Human Rights to get them removed from the system.

Reply 8

People who refuse because of "rights" claims are just wasting time. If you've done nothing wrong, stop making things difficult and get it over with.

Reply 9

AsphyxiateD
People who refuse because of "rights" claims are just wasting time. If you've done nothing wrong, stop making things difficult and get it over with.

"If you're done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide" is incredibly dangerous logic.

Reply 10

numb3rb0y
They can take fingerprint and DNA records if you're arrested, regardless of whether you're charged or not. Even if you're found innocent of any charges, their policy is generally to keep them, to the extent that someone actually had to go all the way to the European Court of Human Rights to get them removed from the system.


Really? Well, that kinda sucks! When I said without charging you with something, I meant taking you in and booking you or whatever. Like, if they're questioning you, they can't take them, right? I'm probably watching too much CSI :giggle:

Reply 11

LastLordofTime
Really? Well, that kinda sucks! When I said without charging you with something, I meant taking you in and booking you or whatever. Like, if they're questioning you, they can't take them, right? I'm probably watching too much CSI :giggle:

As I understand it, if it's a voluntary police station visit then they're not allowed to, however, if it's an interview under caution or arrest then they can. It's at their discretion, though; I was interviewed under caution a few years ago when these rules were in place and they didn't take DNA or fingerprints.

Edit - I _think_ they can if you're under caution; I'm not actually certain, though, evidently I need to go look it up :s-smilie:

Reply 12

numb3rb0y
"If you're done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide" is incredibly dangerous logic.


Better than refusing to do something leading people to assume you've done something wrong when in fact you haven't.

Reply 13

numb3rb0y
someone actually had to go all the way to the European Court of Human Rights to get them removed from the system.

why the **** does it even matter i don't get people like that, as long as you're not going to commit a serious crime it won't affect you one bit

Reply 14

AsphyxiateD
Better than refusing to do something leading people to assume you've done something wrong when in fact you haven't.

Well I'd agree that if they're legally allowed to take fingerprints or DNA you shouldn't resist if only because regardless of whether they have a natural right to do so, practically resisting will land you with additional charges, but I don't really agree with the line of thinking that they're not doing anything wrong in the first place. I'm fully in favour of handing over evidence when a judge or magistrate has found a reasonable need for it, but just taking it from anyone who's arrested is too Orwellian for me to stomach.

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why the **** does it even matter i don't get people like that, as long as you're not going to commit a serious crime it won't affect you one bit

It matters because expectation of privacy does exist even when you've got nothing to hide; I dare say you wouldn't like me watching you while you took a shower, or installing cameras in your home, but also because government is not infallible and is entirely capable of using information it collects for malicious ends, or simply screwing up by accident.

Reply 15

numb3rb0y
I dare say you wouldn't like me watching you while you took a shower,

:hubba: you and me tonight?

Reply 16

No. If you refuse, they make you.

Reply 17

numb3rb0y
It matters because expectation of privacy does exist even when you've got nothing to hide; I dare say you wouldn't like me watching you while you took a shower, or installing cameras in your home, but also because government is not infallible and is entirely capable of using information it collects for malicious ends, or simply screwing up by accident.



Yeah I agree with this. Your fingerprint is one of the few things that can identify you without any cause for doubt, so why when you're innocent would you want to entrust that to somebody else?

The people who have access to this information such as fingerprints and DNA are only human, and as such can be capable of abusing it for their own ends.

Reply 18

"At the police station, fingerprints can be taken by the police. The police will ask the detainee to agree to this, but if they do not consent the police have the right to use reasonable force to take fingerprints."

Reply 19

They'd get a warrant and do it anyway?
They'd be even more suspicious of you for not co operating?
Get done for wasting police time?
Just a guess...

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