Whos going to replace all the unvaccinated NHS staff?

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The Department of Health estimates that more than 200,000 NHS workers remain unvaccinated (with 103,000 unvaccinated trust workers and 105,000 domiciliary care workers, according to figures given to the House of Lords Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee on November 25). It is not known how many agency staff are unvaccinated.




These people are going to be fired next year. They worked through the worst of the pandemic, while unvaccinated and survived. Why are they considered a threat to patients, when we all know vaccinated people are spreading the virus ?

Bad outdated science.

I remember when they claimed you'd get the vaccine, it would stop the spread of coruse if that was the case then why have so many of the highest vaccinated countries also have record breaking cases? you still get the virus inside you, and pass it on just milder.
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(Original post by ih8mygovernment)
The Department of Health estimates that more than 200,000 NHS workers remain unvaccinated (with 103,000 unvaccinated trust workers and 105,000 domiciliary care workers, according to figures given to the House of Lords Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee on November 25). It is not known how many agency staff are unvaccinated.




These people are going to be fired next year. They worked through the worst of the pandemic, while unvaccinated and survived. Why are they considered a threat to patients, when we all know vaccinated people are spreading the virus ?

Bad outdated science.

I remember when they claimed you'd get the vaccine, it would stop the spread of coruse if that was the case then why have so many of the highest vaccinated countries also have record breaking cases? you still get the virus inside you, and pass it on just milder.
i agree, the vaccinated workers spread the virus without even knowing it and unvaccinated workers can quickly isolate at the first symptom so whys the government firing them when they could help more by stopping the spread.
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I don’t see it being a major issue as most will get vaccinated before the deadline as few people are so reckless as to throw away their careers and risk the financial stability of their family over ideological opposition to vaccination.
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There have been vaccination requirements for health care workers for a long time...

https://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/sites/...202015.pdf.pdf

but suddenly these people have developed an ideological opposition being vaccinated :yep:
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but suddenly these people have developed an ideological opposition being vaccinated :yep:
It's almost as if they're not against vaccinations but against this particular "vaccine"...
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It's almost as if they're not against vaccinations but against this particular "vaccine"...
Why does covid vaccine get the "scare quotes" treatment :unsure:
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Why does covid vaccine get the "scare quotes" treatment :unsure:
Because nobody is getting heart attacks, dropping dead, suffering side effects or getting the thing it's meant to be protecting against from other vaccinations.
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Because nobody is getting heart attacks, dropping dead, suffering side effects or getting the thing it's meant to be protecting against from other vaccinations.
People get side effects from other vaccines.

Extreme example, In the USA they've got people in the navy who were required to have the anthrax vaccine when they enlisted (which is much worse for side effects than the covid vaccines) getting booted out cos they now refuse the covid vaccine.

Seems like a load of dimwits who think they've got a better idea about how vaccines and the immune system works than people who've spent their lives studying these things.
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It’s only justified if the risk to patients/ clients from under staffing that results is lower than the risks brought about by unvaccinated individuals.
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I imagine the scores lost to brexit, not to mention burnout, should be of more concern...
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People get side effects from other vaccines.

Extreme example, In the USA they've got people in the navy who were required to have the anthrax vaccine when they enlisted (which is much worse for side effects than the covid vaccines) getting booted out cos they now refuse the covid vaccine.

Seems like a load of dimwits who think they've got a better idea about how vaccines and the immune system works than people who've spent their lives studying these things.
ah the weird vaccines they dreamt up before the gulf war(s) were a case in point for how to destroy confidence in vaccines lol
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People get side effects from other vaccines.

Extreme example, In the USA they've got people in the navy who were required to have the anthrax vaccine when they enlisted (which is much worse for side effects than the covid vaccines) getting booted out cos they now refuse the covid vaccine.

Seems like a load of dimwits who think they've got a better idea about how vaccines and the immune system works than people who've spent their lives studying these things.
And the people that spend their entire lives studying it suddenly believe they’re political dictators
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These people are going to be fired next year. They worked through the worst of the pandemic, while unvaccinated and survived. Why are they considered a threat to patients, when we all know vaccinated people are spreading the virus ?
Vaccinated people are spreading the virus but so are unvaccinated people spreading the virus. The difference is some people are getting vaccinated to limit the damage covid does to them which means they are less likely personally to get hospitalised and less likely to need to take a long time off work.

They won't all get fired next year - most will choose to get vaccinated when they can see it benefits them financially (keeping their job) the same way a lot more care home staff got vaccinated when it became a requirement of them keeping their jobs.
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Vaccinated people are spreading the virus but so are unvaccinated people spreading the virus. The difference is some people are getting vaccinated to limit the damage covid does to them which means they are less likely personally to get hospitalised and less likely to need to take a long time off work.

They won't all get fired next year - most will choose to get vaccinated when they can see it benefits them financially (keeping their job) the same way a lot more care home staff got vaccinated when it became a requirement of them keeping their jobs.
The other issue is that a lot of NHS workers are minorities, also the group that have the least amount of vaccine take up in the entire country.
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The other issue is that a lot of NHS workers are minorities, also the group that have the least amount of vaccine take up in the entire country.
I know a lot are minorities and some minority groups have a low take up of the covid vaccine. But that doesn't change anything. If it's a good idea for staff to get vaccinated to protect themselves and to reduce staff absenteeism which impacts upon patient care, then it's a good idea for all staff
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I know a lot are minorities and some minority groups have a low take up of the covid vaccine. But that doesn't change anything. If it's a good idea for staff to get vaccinated to protect themselves and to reduce staff absenteeism which impacts upon patient care, then it's a good idea for all staff
It’s not just about money though it’s about trust and minorities trust the vaccines the least
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And the people that spend their entire lives studying it suddenly believe they’re political dictators
And of course they're completely incorruptible and haven't repeatedly been wrong, nor attempted to silence dissenting voices.

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Interesting that many of the women threatened with losing their jobs will be the ones that risked their lives before there was a vaccine, continuing to work with black bin bags for aprons and handkerchiefs with elastic bands for face masks due to the incompetence of the very people that are now sacking them. I'll tell you something I find interesting though, the media can find time to interview everyone from celebs to Archbishops to even Tony Blair about the 100,000+ health and medical workers who aren't taking the vaccine, yet never seem to manage to interview one of the actual staff themselves.
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It’s not just about money though it’s about trust and minorities trust the vaccines the least
Then that issue needs to be addressed by community leaders, which it is in some cases

https://www.ft.com/content/9019eddf-...3-241578dc6e4f
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And of course they're completely incorruptible and haven't repeatedly been wrong, nor attempted to silence dissenting voices.

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Mate that’s an advert from 70 years ago, when they thought that tobacco was good for you and had no clue of the consequences. Using this to back up your argument is silly
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