The biggest threat to democracy is "millions of voters"

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Says David Roth head of "Human Rights Watch"

So much to unpack here...
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Of course, he's not wrong per say and this has always been the case.

Where he's wrong is in supposedly believing in democracy and writing off the concerns of millions of people. It's the old joke about saving democracy from itself. This is the same government that labelled parents protesting their kids being taught anti white propoganda as "domestic terrorists".

And of course this is in the context of Biden and his VP doing abysmally in the polls.

My view is that the whole rotten US establishment from the corrupt military industrial complex to the lying media, to the secret police are a huge house of cards that needs just a little tap to bring the rotten edifice down. Let's go Brandon.

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I mean, yeah, they're not wrong. You straight up had people storming the capitol trying to overturn the result of the election. Sadly millions of Americans believe that that was a good thing and that the election belonged to Trump. It's the same reason why people screamed "stop the steal" and said that counting should have stopped once only the Trump-leaning ballots had been recorded.

It's absolutely absurd, but then what else can you expect? Trump has a cult following and people will demand whatever it takes to have him in power.
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I mean, yeah, they're not wrong. You straight up had people storming the capitol trying to overturn the result of the election.

The storming of the capitol was a set up by the FBI who are protecting their assets from prosecution and want an excuse to go after trump supporter. Classic CoIntelPro.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/da...ors-january-6/

Reminder that only one person, a unarmed female trump supporting vet, was killed that day despite media lying about police officers dying. Literally you had tens of thousands of these "dangerous extremist trump supporters" who believed rightly or wrongly that the election was stolen and they didn't kill anyone
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Sadly millions of Americans believe that that was a good thing and that the election belonged to Trump. It's the same reason why people screamed "stop the steal" and said that counting should have stopped once only the Trump-leaning ballots had been recorded.

Do you mean when Trump had large majorities and then inexplicably counting stations said they would stop counting, kick out poll watchers and two hours later Biden had suddenly gained a majority?
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In any case it's not illegal (yet) to question election results? Or are you saying only people who share your views should be able to vote?

It's absolutely absurd, but then what else can you expect? Trump has a cult following and people will demand whatever it takes to have him in power.

Maybe people rightly don't trust a word the establishment says and haven't for a long time and finally found someone half decent to fight for them against "the swamp"

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1. We've gone through the 'FBI started the riot' conspiracy and, no, the FBI did not start the riot. It's just another case of 'we don't actually know if this happened, but it might of happened, therefore we are going to say it did'.

2. I mean when Trump (and his cult following) were screaming that the counting should be stopped once Trump got a head start from non-postal votes (and that valid postal votes should not be counted).

People should be able to vote, and also have their votes counted, regardless of their political views. Do you think that?

3. Ah, because clearly conspiracies like QAnon and Pizzagate are much better.
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1. We've gone through the 'FBI started the riot' conspiracy and, no, the FBI did not start the riot. It's just another case of 'we don't actually know if this happened, but it might of happened, therefore we are going to say it did'.

2. I mean when Trump (and his cult following) were screaming that the counting should be stopped once Trump got a head start from non-postal votes (and that valid postal votes should not be counted).

People should be able to vote, and also have their votes counted, regardless of their political views. Do you think that?

3. Ah, because clearly conspiracies like QAnon and Pizzagate are much better.
1- Sure it's still a theory but I think a pretty likely one. Do you have any other explanation as to why people who literally just walked into the capitol are being charged but people who did far more egregious things openly are not?

For instance let's say there was a BLM rally which lead to mass looting and riots. At the end of it 500 people are charged except for 50 people who were caught doing the worst stuff and encouraging others to do likewise who are allowed to get away with it. You'd think that was fishy right?

Yes Trump organised the march. People were unhappy and sure wanted the election overturned the election results.

2- ok sure we've covered this point enough...

3- "conspiracies"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ret-files-foia

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNAwUxZ5nfw

And many other examples, "coincidences"
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Are Trump supporters still struggling to come to terms with reality? Trump lost because he was a rank bad president who had nothing but contempt for the average American.

Let’s go Brandon highlights the shallowness of the hard right. Rather than offering considered solutions of how to reform society, they are chanting lame slogans. That is why the hard right will always be so self limiting. There are only so many resentful people with chips on their shoulders that will fall victim to opportunist demagogues like Trump.

We are seeing the same in Brazil with Bolsonaro. He’s on course for an election humiliation because their is no substance to his shallow populism.
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1- Sure it's still a theory but I think a pretty likely one. Do you have any other explanation as to why people who literally just walked into the capitol are being charged but people who did far more egregious things openly are not?

For instance let's say there was a BLM rally which lead to mass looting and riots. At the end of it 500 people are charged except for 50 people who were caught doing the worst stuff and encouraging others to do likewise who are allowed to get away with it. You'd think that was fishy right?

Yes Trump organised the march. People were unhappy and sure wanted the election overturned the election results.

2- ok sure we've covered this point enough...

3- "conspiracies"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ret-files-foia

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNAwUxZ5nfw

And many other examples, "coincidences"
1. I have no idea why that might be the case. I don't know enough about the US legal system, nor have read up enough on these cases (which themself could also just be fake news, as has proven to usually be the case) to know. There are various reasons why two people may receive different punishments despite different crimes, including: past convictions, willingness to cooperate with the police / legal system, plea deals, etc.

3. Neither of these have anything to do with the crazy conspiracy theories that Trump fanatics trust more 'tHe eStaBliShMEnt'.
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Are Trump supporters still struggling to come to terms with reality? Trump lost because he was a rank bad president who had nothing but contempt for the average American.

Let’s go Brandon highlights the shallowness of the hard right. Rather than offering considered solutions of how to reform society, they are chanting lame slogans. That is why the hard right will always be so self limiting. There are only so many resentful people with chips on their shoulders that will fall victim to opportunist demagogues like Trump.

We are seeing the same in Brazil with Bolsonaro. He’s on course for an election humiliation because their is no substance to his shallow populism.
PRSOM. They can't accept the fact that Trump ran a bad campaign and lost support where he needed it. Handling the pandemic badly, being an embarassment on a global scale and wanting to 'drain the swamp' but having his own cohort arrested and convicted of fraud and other illegalities. :rolleyes:

And, naturally, instead of just accepting defeat they will claim victim and blame everything under the sun (except the man himself, of course, who is so precious that he dare not be criticised). The cult of personality is real.
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Are Trump supporters still struggling to come to terms with reality? Trump lost because he was a rank bad president who had nothing but contempt for the average American.

Let’s go Brandon highlights the shallowness of the hard right. Rather than offering considered solutions of how to reform society, they are chanting lame slogans. That is why the hard right will always be so self limiting. There are only so many resentful people with chips on their shoulders that will fall victim to opportunist demagogues like Trump.
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According to official sources Trump won more votes than any other president bar Biden... recent polls suggest the GOP will win the mid terms and that trump would best Biden and crush Kamala...

Lmao

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According to official sources Trump won more votes than any other president bar Biden... recent polls suggest the GOP will win the mid terms and that trump would best Biden and crush Kamala...

Lmao

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Yet to find a single person who actually gets upset by the whole 'Let's Go Brandon' thing. All it seems to have shown thus far is how childish Trump fans can be. 😂
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Handling the pandemic badly,

being an embarassment on a global scale
Ah let's see here.

https://news.yahoo.com/psaki-ducks-b...211144480.html

As for being an embarrassment. Have you seen Joe Biden?

Trump was awesome on the world stage, and was hilarious on a good way.

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Biden is also hilarious just not in a good way. He needs to be in a nursing home.
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Yet to find a single person who actually gets upset by the whole 'Let's Go Brandon' thing.

All it seems to have shown thus far is how childish Trump fans can be. 😂
I was literally responding to one!

Meh its funny and catchy. Even Joe Biden agrees!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbBBh_VFjg
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Ah let's see here.

https://news.yahoo.com/psaki-ducks-b...211144480.html

As for being an embarrassment. Have you seen Joe Biden?

Trump was awesome on the world stage, and was hilarious on a good way.

Biden is also hilarious just not in a good way. He needs to be in a nursing home.
Bold of you to assume I care at all about Biden, as though his failings somehow make Trump better? If anything it would only show that both of them are awful, yet you continue to root for one of them? 😂

The world laughed at Trump. To Biden, eh, they are mostly indifferent.

Trump needs to be in school. It was genuinely refreshing to hear Biden speak as President for the first time, his sentences were actually coherent.
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Also the "let's go Brandon" phrase is important because it's emblematic of the subservience to the democrats and just dishonest reporting by the MSM.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cxCtJpPaU7Q
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I was literally responding to one!

Meh its funny and catchy. Even Joe Biden agrees!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbBBh_VFjg
Lol, they aren't upset by it.
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Oh you're still arguing, without a shred of evidence, that the election was stolen? 🙄

Your reasons are wrong even on their own terms. The counts didn't 'suddenly switch'. They switched over a period of several hours and days as the mail in ballots were counted. Not hard to understand. On-the-day votes, which were generally counted first swung heavily Trump, mail in ballots which were counted last swung heavily Biden. Michigan took a day to switch, as did Wisconisn. Georgia took a few days to flip, Pensylvannia took about 5 days.

Also note the states which counted the mail in ballots FIRST such as North Carolina and Ohio showed massive Biden leads initially but then flipped to Trump as the on the day votes were counted. Arizona was the same but Biden clung on. Its the exact same thing. Not corrupt, just the order the votes were counted. Unless you think the Trump team stole NC and Ohio?

Every single case was laughed out of court even by Trump appointed judges. I watched some of them and they really were laughable (especially the one where Giuliani was quite literally making up the law) . There wasn't a shred of evidence, and still isn't that the election was stole. And you know why? Because it wasn't.
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