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(Original post by booklover1313)
The difference between taking 'a drug' and having the vaccine is that the vaccine protects those around you, and not just yourself. Although you may not think you would, statistically speaking, not become very ill if you caught covid, that isn't an argument for not getting vaccinated, because by getting vaccinated you are protecting the people who are likely to get ill.
I don't agree with you at all. You're articulating vaccine benefits of vaccines that bestow what is called "sterilising immunity", i.e. immunity that prevents you getting the disease. Covid vaccines are not in that category. As I have highlighted in earlier posts the fully vaccinated account for the vast majority of all current Covid cases as well as hospitalisations and deaths. All detailed in the gov't report here:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...eek_1_2022.pdf

Vaccination does NOT stop you getting the disease. It does NOT stop you being symptomatic.

You can therefore still transmit Covid to others despite being fully vaccinated.

It's actually quite dangerous not to realise this because you might otherwise go around mingling with people spreading Covid thinking you can't do so because you are vaccinated.
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(Original post by aliaa03)
looking at the figures from march 2020 compared to now shows the difference the vaccine made. back in march, when we had like 30k cases, we had thousands being admitted in the hospitals and hundreds dying every day, now although we do have more recorded cases (due to mass testing we didn't have before), despite being up in the region of 100k cases, we are averaging around 40-150 deaths a day.
Can you be sure that the differences you mention are totally the result of the vaccines? Surely very large numbers of the population (many millions) had already had Covid and gained natural immunity thus contributing to increased herd immunity. Are you discounting all of that? If so why?

News From April 2021
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...ithin-days-uk/

"Prof Karl Friston, of UCL, told The Telegraph: "The herd immunity estimates surprised me. However, they are unremarkable when one considers that over 50 per cent of adults have been vaccinated, around 42 per cent of people have now been exposed to the virus and about 10 per cent have pre-existing immunity."

Also reported here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1828267.html
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...s-matt-hancock
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ted-scientists

So 42% of the UK population would have been 28 million people

By now there will be vastly more people with natural immunity as a result of Delta and Omicron running around.

I feel sure that a great deal of the reason for less cases, hospitalisations and deaths was due to the high levels of natural immunity in the population. The vaccines will have supplemented that imo.
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(Original post by booklover1313)
Could you clarify what you mean, I don't get your point?
The vaccine itself confers protection, whether someone else has taken it or not. Do you get it now?
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