PM to chair new 'Council of the Nations' with governments of devolved nations

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Between the four nations, what is the point of this new meeting with the four nations?

VT clarification: This relates to the announcement of a 'Council of the Nations' as described here: https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...engthen-union/
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It would help if you told us what meeting you're on about...
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He's hiding at home and he's chairing nothing,
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Between the four nations, what is the point of this new meeting with the four nations?
He needs to rally the troops as the media is milking the Number 10 lockdown parties that happened months ago.
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https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ers/cobr-cobra
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Between the four nations, what is the point of this new meeting with the four nations?
Meetings between the four nations on the Covid 19 response have taken place on a number of occasions. Michael Gove chaired one I think just before Christmas.
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I'm not sure this is necessarily news, save for that he usually gets Michael Gove (as Levelling Up secretary) or Steve Barclay (as Cabinet Office minister) to chair the meeting, as Johnson usually can't bring himself to meet the first ministers himself.
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I'm not sure this is necessarily news, save for that he usually gets Michael Gove (as Levelling Up secretary) or Steve Barclay (as Cabinet Office minister) to chair the meeting, as Johnson usually can't bring himself to meet the first ministers himself.
There are allegations that Johnson is not a details man. He focuses on the bigger picture and the wider impact. That’s probably why he delegates and selects those are considered as detailed and forensic such as Gove, Barclay or Sunak.
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There are allegations that Johnson is not a details man. He focuses on the bigger picture and the wider impact. That’s probably why he delegates and selects those are considered as detailed and forensic such as Gove, Barclay or Sunak.
Possibly. I'm a bit more cynical (or biased, some might say) and think it's because he doesn't want to treat Sturgeon, Drakeford, Givan and O'Neill as if they're heads of government like his is, so gets a more junior minister to meet with them.
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Possibly. I'm a bit more cynical (or biased, some might say) and think it's because he doesn't want to treat Sturgeon, Drakeford, Givan and O'Neill as if they're heads of government like his is, so gets a more junior minister to meet with them.
That’s fair and I would agree with it. I think the current setup is very difficult to manage and the pandemic exposed the cracks in the pseudo-independent system where Sturgeon would lock down her people but beg Johnson for money to support them.
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There's a long-standing issue around formalised structures for intergovernmental relations between the UK Government and devolved administrations.

This is a step forward, but there's a lot to do - and much of it is about culture in the DAs themselves and Whitehall too. The UK Government went from being fairly ignorant of devolution and ignoring its impact to being too deferential to the DAs on their own patches.

If there's going to be more devolution within England, then it's a good time to start thinking about what works and what doesn't.
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Finally thanks to Nation.Cymru I've discovered what this new meeting actually is, a 'Council of Nations', though it sounds an awful lot like the old JMC meetings (when they happened).

https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...engthen-union/

I guess the idea is to be something like the Minsterpräsidentenkonferenz in Germany, where the heads of the state governments and federal government meet together to agree common policies, e.g. on covid regulations.

I'll update the thread title and OP to make clear what this story actually is about.
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