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Further maths or Maths

I'm not sure between further maths or maths, I like maths and I am pretty good at it but most unis say they would like the applicant to have further maths a-level, my school offers that, however, I don't want to take maths and further maths. So if they want an A* maths but I only have an A/A* in further maths can I still apply or do I really need regular maths and further maths? I am looking at some science courses

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Reply 1
The content of further maths assumes knowledge of the content of normal maths, so you may as well get the qualification for both while you're learning it all anyway (although many courses I've seen do ask for both if they want further maths anyway, and wouldn't let one replace the other unless they specifically say so).
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Reply 2
usually those who took further maths, also have taken normal A level maths. Further maths is usually good if you plan to apply to do maths/physics at a top uni? But most science courses (bio, chem, biochem) have the preference of just maths
Reply 3
Your school won't be offering Further Maths on its own - they may call the option 'Further Maths' but it will mean studying both Maths and Further Maths A levels as the content for FM is inaccessible if you haven't also studied Maths. Check with your school if you want to and check how they deliver FM. Some schools teach it in little more than the number of lessons for Maths and assume students will be good enough to learn at a faster pace - oif this is the case they may expect you to do Maths, FM and another 2 A levels. At others it fills 2 option blocks and this makes it harder to pick 4 full A levels.
Reply 4
Original post by EOData
Your school won't be offering Further Maths on its own - they may call the option 'Further Maths' but it will mean studying both Maths and Further Maths A levels as the content for FM is inaccessible if you haven't also studied Maths. Check with your school if you want to and check how they deliver FM. Some schools teach it in little more than the number of lessons for Maths and assume students will be good enough to learn at a faster pace - oif this is the case they may expect you to do Maths, FM and another 2 A levels. At others it fills 2 option blocks and this makes it harder to pick 4 full A levels.

no, my school does offer further maths as its own a-level si you can take 2 sciences further maths and an epq if you wish.
Reply 5
Original post by Singam21
no, my school does offer further maths as its own a-level si you can take 2 sciences further maths and an epq if you wish.

Check with your school, I guarantee you have misunderstood. They would not do this.
Original post by Singam21
no, my school does offer further maths as its own a-level si you can take 2 sciences further maths and an epq if you wish.

You cannot take FMaths without studying A level Maths - I teach Maths :smile:
Original post by Singam21
I'm not sure between further maths or maths, I like maths and I am pretty good at it but most unis say they would like the applicant to have further maths a-level, my school offers that, however, I don't want to take maths and further maths. So if they want an A* maths but I only have an A/A* in further maths can I still apply or do I really need regular maths and further maths? I am looking at some science courses

I doubt you would be able to just do further maths on it own without maths.
You either do just maths or both maths and further maths
in my college, you arent allowed to take further math without taking math too. after doing alevels myself, i understand why. there are many topics in further math that require math knowledge. also, many universities i've seen that prefer further math also require math. i strongly recommend taking math if you are planning to take further math
Reply 9
Original post by Muttley79
You cannot take FMaths without studying A level Maths - I teach Maths :smile:

I am sorry to tell you but I did clarify with my school Further Maths is its own A-level and you don't need to take Maths to do it.
Some schools choose to teach maths and further maths combined into one subject, usually a year spent on maths and a year on further maths. This is often described as a 'further maths class' as they are learning an accelerated version of the maths course and are therefore separate from the other single maths students. I suspect this may be what your school is doing.
However, as maths A-level content is required to do the further maths A-level content, you will still be learning the A-level maths and might as well take the exam, which I expect your school will have you do.
Reply 11
Original post by Singam21
I am sorry to tell you but I did clarify with my school Further Maths is its own A-level and you don't need to take Maths to do it.

No one is disputing that Further Maths is its own A level, what is at issue is why anyone would take A level FM without also taking Maths. You're going to have to study almost all the Maths content in order to do well at FM, so why not take the qualification?. Unlike the previous specifications, it is technically possible to enter for Further Maths without entering for Maths but it would be an utterly daft idea. I still feel there must be a miscommunication between you and the school as your answer just does not make sense.
Reply 12
Original post by EOData
No one is disputing that Further Maths is its own A level, what is at issue is why anyone would take A level FM without also taking Maths. You're going to have to study almost all the Maths content in order to do well at FM, so why not take the qualification?. Unlike the previous specifications, it is technically possible to enter for Further Maths without entering for Maths but it would be an utterly daft idea. I still feel there must be a miscommunication between you and the school as your answer just does not make sense.

I too thought this as well but I really want an EPQ or Perspectives in Science for a variation to show essay skills and some variation rather than taking all short answer based subjects
Original post by Singam21
I am sorry to tell you but I did clarify with my school Further Maths is its own A-level and you don't need to take Maths to do it.

It's impossible to do Further Maths without knowing the content of the Maths spec. Please post where it says you can.

I suspect your teachers call 'Further Maths' the option to takke BOTH A levels
Reply 14
This is the provisional option blocks my school has set. You can take max 1 subject from each block and you can take further maths qualification without the maths one and I promise you I have asked about whether it is 2 a levels or 1 and it is 1 a-level
Reply 15
Original post by Singam21
I too thought this as well but I really want an EPQ or Perspectives in Science for a variation to show essay skills and some variation rather than taking all short answer based subjects


Perspectives on Science? Does that even exist still? It was the forerunner of the EPQ but I thought it was withdrawn when the EPQ was introduced around 2009
Maths is better further maths is just the same but extreme
Reply 17
Original post by EOData
Perspectives on Science? Does that even exist still? It was the forerunner of the EPQ but I thought it was withdrawn when the EPQ was introduced around 2009

yh mate it does it is 6000 words essay with 10 min presentation
As above, you can't take A-level Further Maths without A-level Maths. FM directly builds on A-level Maths. So you either take both, just A-level Maths, or neither.

I am absolutely certain if you put down FM and not A-level Maths your school would reject your subject combination.
It really doesn't work like that, Singam. Go talk to your teachers again - you must have been talking at cross purposes. Nobody ever does FM but not maths.

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