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Hi, I am studying aeronautics and astronautics BEng and I am most likely going to finish my degree with a 2.2. I am in my final year and I am looking at grad schemes.

I realise and admit that I messed up and I understand that University wasn't for me, because I am basically at the bottom of my cohort. I have done well at A-Level and GCSE, but the intensity and the difficulty was too much for me and this makes me believe that university was the wrong choice.

I am struggling at exams because they test quick problem solving. I am doing revision this week and for the life of me I cannot complete any of these past exam papers in two hours. Two hours is just too short for me.

As a result, I will most likely end up getting a 2.2 based on my struggles. I also wouldn't be shocked if I got a third although that would be a massive punch to the gut, because it tells you that you're the worst.

What are my options with a 2.2 degree and is it going to really damage my CV. If I end up getting a 2.2 or a third, should I still put down the qualification on my CV or should I just omit it from the education section and just talk about my GCSEs and A-Levels. It is really disappointing because it is my mental health problems, lack of motivation for the subject, not being able to fit in at university and lack of ability and talent that ultimately led me into such difficult circumstances. I simply do not know how to improve in my degree subject because it is beyond my ability now, but I want to know the damage that my degree would cause if let's say I wanted to pursue a career in software development?
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Relax a 2.2 in engineering will be a really valuable degree and open up all sort of graduate job opportunities. Also, for interest, one of my friends did an engineering degree followed by one year MSc in IT and has a very satisfying job now in software development
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Relax a 2.2 in engineering will be a really valuable degree and open up all sort of graduate job opportunities. Also, for interest, one of my friends did an engineering degree followed by one year MSc in IT and has a very satisfying job now in software development
It is just that I have heard and read on TSR that if you have anything less than a 2.1, then apparently your degree is worthless and if you get a third then apparently it's better to not even put down your qualification on your CV because employers will instantly reject you if they see a third.

I was considering doing an MSc in computer science at worse uni after my BEng degree, but I am still undecided because I find university too difficult, because the exams are ridiculous because they expect you to solve hard physics problems fast and accurately in 2 hours. I am simply not that fast. I can study and learn the content but when it comes to exams I am awful at them because they come up with bizarre questions that are difficult and they expect me to solve everything in 2 hours! There's just not enough time! I can't be that fast and accurate. To anyone that is able to do this, well done, because I don't understand how anyone would be able to solve any of these papers and get anything above 70%. It is a challenge to even get 60%.

It is also disappointing because my coursework is completed to a high standard, so that's the only positive thing about my modules. Even if I do poorly in my exams and get like 30%, I will still pass the modules because my coursework marks are good, but these exams still scare me. I really don't understand how anyone gets like 70-80% in any of these exams. You either have to pay the examiners or you have to be literally a genius that is able to think quickly and accurately.
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wing it
You can't wing it. That's the problem. The exams are so ridiculous that if you try and wing it, you'll most likely end up failing. You have to put at least some effort into my course, even if you just want to pass. Maybe if I was studying a different subject, I could wing it but for my course I have to revise just to get that 40%. It's ridiculous.
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It is just that I have heard and read on TSR that if you have anything less than a 2.1, then apparently your degree is worthless and if you get a third then apparently it's better to not even put down your qualification on your CV because employers will instantly reject you if they see a third.
Jesus... reading stuff like that really does make me think that TSR is a destructive and toxic website.

None of that is true. Remotely.

Also, not being harsh but don't you think it's a bit over-dramatic to ask 'is my life over' because you might end up with a II(2)? You're in your early 20s I imagine, so you've probably got another 70+ years of life. A bit early to be suggesting that 'your whole life is ruined', n'est pas?
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I really don't understand how anyone gets like 70-80% in any of these exams. You either have to pay the examiners or you have to be literally a genius that is able to think quickly and accurately.
This is silly, too. We don't live in North Korea - no-one is 'paying examiners' to get higher marks.

Bit of a ridiculous suggestion.
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It is just that I have heard and read on TSR that if you have anything less than a 2.1, then apparently your degree is worthless and if you get a third then apparently it's better to not even put down your qualification on your CV because employers will instantly reject you if they see a third.
I've got a 2:2. It's honestly not really made any difference to my career. Over a decade in Finance and then into higher education. Honestly, just ignore the TSR hive mind and concentrate on applications to places that ask for whatever degree or classification you end up with.
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My friend got a third in engineering and it has not hampered her. Both my parents got a 2:2. It didn't hamper them in their careers. Your life is not ruined.

The non TSR world can be very different to the TSR world. A 2:2 is fine.
A lot of employers will be more interested in other things (rather than whether you got a 2:1 or a 2:2).
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It is just that I have heard and read on TSR that if you have anything less than a 2.1, then apparently your degree is worthless and if you get a third then apparently it's better to not even put down your qualification on your CV because employers will instantly reject you if they see a third.

I was considering doing an MSc in computer science at worse uni after my BEng degree, but I am still undecided because I find university too difficult, because the exams are ridiculous because they expect you to solve hard physics problems fast and accurately in 2 hours. I am simply not that fast. I can study and learn the content but when it comes to exams I am awful at them because they come up with bizarre questions that are difficult and they expect me to solve everything in 2 hours! There's just not enough time! I can't be that fast and accurate. To anyone that is able to do this, well done, because I don't understand how anyone would be able to solve any of these papers and get anything above 70%. It is a challenge to even get 60%.

It is also disappointing because my coursework is completed to a high standard, so that's the only positive thing about my modules. Even if I do poorly in my exams and get like 30%, I will still pass the modules because my coursework marks are good, but these exams still scare me. I really don't understand how anyone gets like 70-80% in any of these exams. You either have to pay the examiners or you have to be literally a genius that is able to think quickly and accurately.
The anything less than a 2.1 philosophy is absolute and total nonsense. It might be a threshold for some pretentious graduate schemes or for a particular post graduate study, but it’s not a problem for many jobs. To be honest you sound like a conscientious student doing pretty well in a well respected and tough discipline. A degree opens up a wealth of opportunities. Once you’ve got some job experience the grade matters even less. Keep battling and get a bit of guidance from the uni careers service as well.
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Hi, I am studying aeronautics and astronautics BEng and I am most likely going to finish my degree with a 2.2. I am in my final year and I am looking at grad schemes.

I realise and admit that I messed up and I understand that University wasn't for me, because I am basically at the bottom of my cohort. I have done well at A-Level and GCSE, but the intensity and the difficulty was too much for me and this makes me believe that university was the wrong choice.

I am struggling at exams because they test quick problem solving. I am doing revision this week and for the life of me I cannot complete any of these past exam papers in two hours. Two hours is just too short for me.

As a result, I will most likely end up getting a 2.2 based on my struggles. I also wouldn't be shocked if I got a third although that would be a massive punch to the gut, because it tells you that you're the worst.

What are my options with a 2.2 degree and is it going to really damage my CV. If I end up getting a 2.2 or a third, should I still put down the qualification on my CV or should I just omit it from the education section and just talk about my GCSEs and A-Levels. It is really disappointing because it is my mental health problems, lack of motivation for the subject, not being able to fit in at university and lack of ability and talent that ultimately led me into such difficult circumstances. I simply do not know how to improve in my degree subject because it is beyond my ability now, but I want to know the damage that my degree would cause if let's say I wanted to pursue a career in software development?
2:2 is fine for a lot of things. Also, don't bother with an MSc conversion in CS for SDE. Grind leetcode and pass the usual data structure and algorithm interviews for junior dev positions.
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TSR is not representative of the real world. In the real world, people look for a lot more than grades. Grades are not the be-all and end-all (contrary to what loads of people on here believe). Your path after uni may not look like people’s on here and that’s ok. Keep building your work experience.
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2:2 is fine for a lot of things. Also, don't bother with an MSc conversion in CS for SDE. Grind leetcode and pass the usual data structure and algorithm interviews for junior dev positions.
Ooooh. I just had a look at leetcode and it seems that there are lots of practice questions for technical interviews. I wish I knew that there was something like this before I started applying for software development graduate schemes. These grad schemes are incredibly competitive and from what I have seen, most of them accept 2.1s, which is why I think people make such a big deal out of a 2.1. It is quite hard to find software development positions that don't require a 2.1 I think. Is a degree apprenticeship still a viable option after uni? I don't think I can do a degree apprenticeship in a technical/engineering field anymore because I already have a degree.

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Jesus... reading stuff like that really does make me think that TSR is a destructive and toxic website.

None of that is true. Remotely.

Also, not being harsh but don't you think it's a bit over-dramatic to ask 'is my life over' because you might end up with a II(2)? You're in your early 20s I imagine, so you've probably got another 70+ years of life. A bit early to be suggesting that 'your whole life is ruined', n'est pas?
Yeah, It is a bit too dramatic, but that's just the way that I felt when I read some of the other threads on TSR from years ago. There were a few people in those threads that really made it seem like my life is going to be over before it even started. They said things like 'no one wants you' and 'you're below average' to the OP. I don't disagree with the fact that I am a bit below average in my course, because I think the average is 60% and I am working in between 50-60%, but when you put effort in and you realise you're still below average and no employer will want you, It makes it seem like my life is coming to an end.

(Original post by Zarek)
The anything less than a 2.1 philosophy is absolute and total nonsense. It might be a threshold for some pretentious graduate schemes or for a particular post graduate study, but it’s not a problem for many jobs. To be honest you sound like a conscientious student doing pretty well in a well respected and tough discipline. A degree opens up a wealth of opportunities. Once you’ve got some job experience the grade matters even less. Keep battling and get a bit of guidance from the uni careers service as well.
I am happy to hear that I won't be instantly looked down upon by employers if I end up getting a 2.2. Some people just really put you down and saying things like 'you'll have to explain yourself to the employer', 'you messed up' or 'no employer will want you' is really not helpful, but so far I have gotten very useful responses.
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In over 20 years of employment, not a single person has asked me about my 2:2. Much less asked me to explain it.

Degrees are tickboxes to get you past the first pass of recruitment screening. That’s it. Everything after that is up to you.
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Try looking at SDE schemes that don't require experience too. JPMorgan, Microsoft, and I think Capital One has them as well. I've heard Microsoft like asking brainteaser questions instead.
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