Keir Starmer and the war on Corbyn.
I was wondering if I could get some opinions on Keir Starmer and his now obvious hatred for the hard-left.
9 days ago, Starmer cemented his position in an article written for The Guardian, where he called the Stop The War Coalition ''naive'', and accused them of ''actively giving succour to authoritarian leaders who directly threaten democracies'' - an organisation that Jeremy Corbyn is a key figure in. We have seen Starmer's opinion on Labour's hard-left right from when he created his cabinet, removing all traces of his predecessor Corbyn.
I wonder what your opinions are on Starmer's techniques and whether you believe they will work in the next election (as they did for Tony Blair.)
9 days ago, Starmer cemented his position in an article written for The Guardian, where he called the Stop The War Coalition ''naive'', and accused them of ''actively giving succour to authoritarian leaders who directly threaten democracies'' - an organisation that Jeremy Corbyn is a key figure in. We have seen Starmer's opinion on Labour's hard-left right from when he created his cabinet, removing all traces of his predecessor Corbyn.
I wonder what your opinions are on Starmer's techniques and whether you believe they will work in the next election (as they did for Tony Blair.)
He is right with regards to Stop the War and Ukraine. They are naive.
With regards Corbyn in general, it is not so much hatred as a need to rid the party of the figure that made Labour so toxic to so many people in the last election.
With regards Corbyn in general, it is not so much hatred as a need to rid the party of the figure that made Labour so toxic to so many people in the last election.
(edited 2 years ago)
Starmer is clearly doing anything he can to change the image of Labour away from what Corbyn did to the party. He's trying to win back the working class and middle class voters who see Labour as the party of identity politics and student activism.
I'm not convinced this approach will work though, as Labour seem to always be throwing mud at the Tories without making their own position clear (probably because the Labour party is so internally divided they have no clear position). They would only ever win an election if enough people hated the Tories enough to turn their backs on them, rather than being positively enticed to Starmer's side.
I'm not convinced this approach will work though, as Labour seem to always be throwing mud at the Tories without making their own position clear (probably because the Labour party is so internally divided they have no clear position). They would only ever win an election if enough people hated the Tories enough to turn their backs on them, rather than being positively enticed to Starmer's side.
He's Blair but without the charisma or talent. And in the 2020's not 1997. Its possible he could win, more by tory incompetence than anything he s bringing to the table.
Whatever your views on Corbyn and momentum, there was an active attempt by the establishment faction of the labour party to undermine and weaken him by any means necessary
Whatever your views on Corbyn and momentum, there was an active attempt by the establishment faction of the labour party to undermine and weaken him by any means necessary
Original post by Napp
Really dont get the continued interest in Corbyn, he was unceremoniously defenestrated due to his supreme lack of public backing and he isnt coming back any time soon..
His fugly toerag of a brother keeps popping up like the poop that won't flush though
Original post by Starship Trooper
He's Blair but without the charisma or talent. And in the 2020's not 1997. Its possible he could win, more by tory incompetence than anything he s bringing to the table.
He's Neil Kinnock, but maybe slightly less likely to fall into the sea at Brighton.
Original post by Starship Trooper
He's Blair but without the charisma or talent. And in the 2020's not 1997. Its possible he could win, more by tory incompetence than anything he s bringing to the table.
"Blair without the charisma or talent" is a perfect description.
A young Blair would have been making absolute mincemeat out of this Tory govt but Starmer still can't really land a glove. All the Tories woes are self inflicted rather than being anything Starmer has done.
Blairism is done. It's the politics of 25 years ago. Sure, Tony Blair did so well back then, but today that kind of policy looks as irrelevant and dated as Tony Blair himself does - a bitter EU henchman with nothing but advertising slogans and a legacy of ashes.
The biggest problem of Blair is what he paved the way for - it was his right-on New Labour metooism that has led directly to the idiocy of today's X-factor generation, where anyone can be anything - and all you have to do is want it badly enough. In Blair's Britain, you can achieve anything, and if you don't it means someone has been discriminating against you.
Starmer is simply doing a Blair cosplay. He knows what it looks like and what it sounds like, but at the end of the day he's just the cover version. He's literally a 2020s talent show contestant badly remaking a song from the 1990s.
Does that mean he's wrong about Corbyn and Stop the War? Of course he is. Starmer is wrong about pretty much everything. Corbyn isn't naive. He's a jew-hating Trot, and Stop the War are a bunch of filthy commies who desire nothing more than war and death on the West, and would rather see ten million people die at hands of one anothers bombs and machetes, than a single person killed by "Western" intervention.
The biggest problem of Blair is what he paved the way for - it was his right-on New Labour metooism that has led directly to the idiocy of today's X-factor generation, where anyone can be anything - and all you have to do is want it badly enough. In Blair's Britain, you can achieve anything, and if you don't it means someone has been discriminating against you.
Starmer is simply doing a Blair cosplay. He knows what it looks like and what it sounds like, but at the end of the day he's just the cover version. He's literally a 2020s talent show contestant badly remaking a song from the 1990s.
Does that mean he's wrong about Corbyn and Stop the War? Of course he is. Starmer is wrong about pretty much everything. Corbyn isn't naive. He's a jew-hating Trot, and Stop the War are a bunch of filthy commies who desire nothing more than war and death on the West, and would rather see ten million people die at hands of one anothers bombs and machetes, than a single person killed by "Western" intervention.
(edited 2 years ago)
Original post by DSilva
"Blair without the charisma or talent" is a perfect description.
A young Blair would have been making absolute mincemeat out of this Tory govt but Starmer still can't really land a glove. All the Tories woes are self inflicted rather than being anything Starmer has done.
A young Blair would have been making absolute mincemeat out of this Tory govt but Starmer still can't really land a glove. All the Tories woes are self inflicted rather than being anything Starmer has done.
Just my 2p, but I think you could skewer bojo and who ever his rotating deputy Brexforce™ punchbag de jour is with the most astute and cutting comments thinkable.. and they would still just bumble and buffer about while basically ignoring you, possibly saving a Wednesday boast about vaccine roll outs and blame you for slowing them down like a vaccine peadonazi.
We've simply allowed too much sewage to be poured into politics and reduced it to trolling. "So we broke the law and ignored the votes, you mad bro?"... that's it from now on.
Starmer and Boris are same both control by their Khazarian overlords just like Biden (I mean serious take a look at everyone in his admin)
I mean we all witnessed Maxwell/Epstein saga you know your politicians and powerful people are all control by the Mossad
I mean we all witnessed Maxwell/Epstein saga you know your politicians and powerful people are all control by the Mossad
Original post by Trinculo
Blairism is done. It's the politics of 25 years ago. Sure, Tony Blair did so well back then, but today that kind of policy looks as irrelevant and dated as Tony Blair himself does - a bitter EU henchman with nothing but advertising slogans and a legacy of ashes.
The biggest problem of Blair is what he paved the way for - it was his right-on New Labour metooism that has led directly to the idiocy of today's X-factor generation, where anyone can be anything - and all you have to do is want it badly enough. In Blair's Britain, you can achieve anything, and if you don't it means someone has been discriminating against you.
Starmer is simply doing a Blair cosplay. He knows what it looks like and what it sounds like, but at the end of the day he's just the cover version. He's literally a 2020s talent show contestant badly remaking a song from the 1990s.
Does that mean he's wrong about Corbyn and Stop the War? Of course he is. Starmer is wrong about pretty much everything. Corbyn isn't naive. He's a jew-hating Trot, and Stop the War are a bunch of filthy commies who desire nothing more than war and death on the West, and would rather see ten million people die at hands of one anothers bombs and machetes, than a single person killed by "Western" intervention.
The biggest problem of Blair is what he paved the way for - it was his right-on New Labour metooism that has led directly to the idiocy of today's X-factor generation, where anyone can be anything - and all you have to do is want it badly enough. In Blair's Britain, you can achieve anything, and if you don't it means someone has been discriminating against you.
Starmer is simply doing a Blair cosplay. He knows what it looks like and what it sounds like, but at the end of the day he's just the cover version. He's literally a 2020s talent show contestant badly remaking a song from the 1990s.
Does that mean he's wrong about Corbyn and Stop the War? Of course he is. Starmer is wrong about pretty much everything. Corbyn isn't naive. He's a jew-hating Trot, and Stop the War are a bunch of filthy commies who desire nothing more than war and death on the West, and would rather see ten million people die at hands of one anothers bombs and machetes, than a single person killed by "Western" intervention.
Agreed with all of that other than the "Jew hating" part which is just a Zionist smear used to deflect all criticism of Israel. I highly doubt Corbyn is some seething anti Semite.
Much like Rowling, Corbyn is just another outdated leftist albeit for different reasons.
Boomer cons like to cry about antisemitism because it is a cowardly and politically correct way of getting to what they really mean which is that Corbyn, the left etc are anti white racists but they're scared of being called Nazis so they have to close it in concern for Jews rather than take their own side. (Not necessarily accusing you of this).
Original post by Napp
Really dont get the continued interest in Corbyn, he was unceremoniously defenestrated due to his supreme lack of public backing and he isnt coming back any time soon..
Corbyn still represents the views of too much of the membership even if he's not relevant himself.
It's entirely plausable that one of the big issues in the next labour leadership election would be who would allow Corbyn to rejoin.
His filthy politics has stained the party.
Original post by Trinculo
Corbyn isn't naive. He's a jew-hating Trot, and Stop the War are a bunch of filthy commies who desire nothing more than war and death on the West, and would rather see ten million people die at hands of one anothers bombs and machetes, than a single person killed by "Western" intervention.
You honestly believe that he is a racist jew hater and a trotskyist revolutionary?
STW coalition are not all marxists or even members of any political party/workers active within a trade union.
Some are millionaire pacifists on odd diets funded by vast property portfolios or trust funds and utterly obsessed with being known as intersectional feminists and anti-fascists (in that order).
Many more are money laundering crooks and noisy religious hardliners open in their support for the theocratic regimes or allies of terror factions most hostile to england, france, india, the usa or israel.
Original post by Rakas21
Corbyn still represents the views of too much of the membership even if he's not relevant himself.
It's entirely plausable that one of the big issues in the next labour leadership election would be who would allow Corbyn to rejoin.
His filthy politics has stained the party.
It's entirely plausable that one of the big issues in the next labour leadership election would be who would allow Corbyn to rejoin.
His filthy politics has stained the party.
Mmm possible although i wouldnt put money on that happening, especially not after his traducing by the labour body politic and general drubbing at the polls.
That being said, almost a shame in some ways, it would have been interesting to see if power would have bent him to its usual format as it does with everyone. He might well have had some dubious policies (and some really very unpleasant followers) but in the broader strokes he seemed to be a genuine humanitarian, if with a queer ideology behind him. After all, his fp was broadly aimed at being nice to the downtrodden masses of the world and his domestic had the same jist, if strangling the middle classes for god knows what reason.
Original post by Milkyshaky
Starmer is greatest threat to Democracy we've seen in my lifetime of British politics.
That they expel people for being anti-war shows all we need to know about this tosspot.
Starmer is greatest threat to Democracy we've seen in my lifetime of British politics.
That they expel people for being anti-war shows all we need to know about this tosspot.
I think his suggestion is if folk are anti war then perhaps it'd be appropriate for them not to be apologists for states which invade other states.
Your wee comic is funny though.
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Original post by Milkyshaky
Starmer is greatest threat to Democracy we've seen in my lifetime of British politics.
That they expel people for being anti-war shows all we need to know about this tosspot.
Starmer is greatest threat to Democracy we've seen in my lifetime of British politics.
That they expel people for being anti-war shows all we need to know about this tosspot.
Personally I'm warning to him. Never knew he had such a strong foreign policy stance.
Original post by AMissionFromGod
I was wondering if I could get some opinions on Keir Starmer and his now obvious hatred for the hard-left.
9 days ago, Starmer cemented his position in an article written for The Guardian, where he called the Stop The War Coalition ''naive'', and accused them of ''actively giving succour to authoritarian leaders who directly threaten democracies'' - an organisation that Jeremy Corbyn is a key figure in. We have seen Starmer's opinion on Labour's hard-left right from when he created his cabinet, removing all traces of his predecessor Corbyn.
I wonder what your opinions are on Starmer's techniques and whether you believe they will work in the next election (as they did for Tony Blair.)
9 days ago, Starmer cemented his position in an article written for The Guardian, where he called the Stop The War Coalition ''naive'', and accused them of ''actively giving succour to authoritarian leaders who directly threaten democracies'' - an organisation that Jeremy Corbyn is a key figure in. We have seen Starmer's opinion on Labour's hard-left right from when he created his cabinet, removing all traces of his predecessor Corbyn.
I wonder what your opinions are on Starmer's techniques and whether you believe they will work in the next election (as they did for Tony Blair.)
starmer was on corbyns shaddow cabinet and tried to get him elected pm. starmer and the rest of the labour party are snakes and i really hope they never get elected
Original post by AMissionFromGod
I was wondering if I could get some opinions on Keir Starmer and his now obvious hatred for the hard-left.
9 days ago, Starmer cemented his position in an article written for The Guardian, where he called the Stop The War Coalition ''naive'', and accused them of ''actively giving succour to authoritarian leaders who directly threaten democracies'' - an organisation that Jeremy Corbyn is a key figure in. We have seen Starmer's opinion on Labour's hard-left right from when he created his cabinet, removing all traces of his predecessor Corbyn.
I wonder what your opinions are on Starmer's techniques and whether you believe they will work in the next election (as they did for Tony Blair.)
9 days ago, Starmer cemented his position in an article written for The Guardian, where he called the Stop The War Coalition ''naive'', and accused them of ''actively giving succour to authoritarian leaders who directly threaten democracies'' - an organisation that Jeremy Corbyn is a key figure in. We have seen Starmer's opinion on Labour's hard-left right from when he created his cabinet, removing all traces of his predecessor Corbyn.
I wonder what your opinions are on Starmer's techniques and whether you believe they will work in the next election (as they did for Tony Blair.)
Tony Blair was the most successful PM Labour ever had and he was a very transformative PM on the country (putting Iraq to a side for a moment). He won the 2005 election comfortably despite widespread voter opposition to war. Even when he stepped down, he was still a v. popular PM. Miliband's big mistake was distancing himself from Blair's record and he was clobbered. I thought it was very wise of Starmer to defend Tony Blair's knighthood.
I think the Corbynites/Momentum should make their own party dedicated to pure self-righteous socialism with their antisemitism. And then there's the wonderful Angela Rayner. The "Stop The War Coalition" is made up of the SWP fanatics. He's correct to distance himself from these fanatics and occupy the centre-ground.
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