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UK great school system?

For some reason I find the UK school system to be great. What’re your thoughts?

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I disagree, but it takes many opinions to make a world.
The school system seems to be working good
I think it's one of the worst systems in Europe if not the world. Ok maybe the world is a bit drastic but it's not good. there are a few problems with it that need to be changed:



1/ It is out dated the problem is that the system hasn't changed for the most part since the Victorian era ok I mean sure some of the facilities have and there is a greater range of subjects but the core value of the system (creating factory workers hasn't changed. I mean look at it you are dictated to go to a class room by a bell your are given bells to tell you when to have break come back off break go to lunch come back from lunch and go home Just like a you would in an old factory. The text books have a similar problem they are out dated. One of the "real world problems" (their words) in one of the books when I was in math was convert old money (£,shillings and pence) to our current £ sterling seriously when will I or anybody else ever need to do that. Also metal maths has such a focus yeah you need some and 30 years ago you wouldn't have a calculator with you every day have it but now we don't need such a focus because we do have calculators every day now..

2/ Uniforms are a problem There is a huge debate about this but they really shouldn't be a thing at least in their current form we are supposed to be preparing kids for the "real world" many non customer facing jobs don't have uniforms (some have dress codes.). Your meant to dress suitable to the situation so put in dress codes let kids learn what suitable and what's not instead of saying wear this and only this. you might say how do you keep track of kids on trips then maybe sell a school hoodie or something (like the uni hoodies) and tell them they must wear them on trips. Male the kids sign on to campus with a id card or something that they need to have them at all times like at collage or uni.

3/The attitude people really hate schools and there must be some reason behind that if we look at places like Scandinavia or the Netherlands they seem to have less behaviour problems which of course is related to the attitude and the kids don't seem to mind being there. Obviously they are doing something right so if we overhaul the system here to bring it more in line with there i suspect the attitude of the students and teachers would be better being more conductive to a better learning environment.
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no, fear isnt the way to make kiddies behave well
Original post by zuluwarrior7650
no, fear isnt the way to make kiddies behave well

Since when did I mention anything about fear.
I think the best that could be said for the UK education system is that it could be worse...the Tories seem to have taken that as a challenge though :colonhash:
It could be worse, but I'm of the mind that the system is outdated in principal and variable in execution.
It could be worse, but I’m not in favour of the current education system.
Original post by jonathanemptage
I think it's one of the worst systems in Europe if not the world. Ok maybe the world is a bit drastic but it's not good. there are a few problems with it that need to be changed:



1/ It is out dated the problem is that the system hasn't changed for the most part since the Victorian era ok I mean sure some of the facilities have and there is a greater range of subjects but the core value of the system (creating factory workers hasn't changed. I mean look at it you are dictated to go to a class room by a bell your are given bells to tell you when to have break come back off break go to lunch come back from lunch and go home Just like a you would in an old factory. The text books have a similar problem they are out dated. One of the "real world problems" (their words) in one of the books when I was in math was convert old money (£,shillings and pence) to our current £ sterling seriously when will I or anybody else ever need to do that. Also metal maths has such a focus yeah you need some and 30 years ago you wouldn't have a calculator with you every day have it but now we don't need such a focus because we do have calculators every day now..

2/ Uniforms are a problem There is a huge debate about this but they really shouldn't be a thing at least in their current form we are supposed to be preparing kids for the "real world" many non customer facing jobs don't have uniforms (some have dress codes.). Your meant to dress suitable to the situation so put in dress codes let kids learn what suitable and what's not instead of saying wear this and only this. you might say how do you keep track of kids on trips then maybe sell a school hoodie or something (like the uni hoodies) and tell them they must wear them on trips. Male the kids sign on to campus with a id card or something that they need to have them at all times like at collage or uni.

3/The attitude people really hate schools and there must be some reason behind that if we look at places like Scandinavia or the Netherlands they seem to have less behaviour problems which of course is related to the attitude and the kids don't seem to mind being there. Obviously they are doing something right so if we overhaul the system here to bring it more in line with there i suspect the attitude of the students and teachers would be better being more conductive to a better learning environment.


1) I have NEVER seen a textbook about converting old money to decimal - sounds like a poor school. Do not condemn all schools based on your experience of ONE. We don't have bells either as we can tell the time! 'metal' maths? You need to be able to estimate in case you key in wrongly - you'd be surprised how often it happens.

2) Sixth forms usually have a dress code - uniforms help to disguise the less well-off - diesigner gear is not suitable for school.

3) None of the schools I've worked in have been hated - don't let one bad school condemn the thousands of good ones.
Moved to Educational Debate :smile:
Meh, unless you've attended 2-3 countries schools for comparison it's hard to have an opinion... but we've had a Tory gov for over a decade so I'd guess our schools are failing.
Original post by jonathanemptage
Since when did I mention anything about fear.


was just my opinion, not related to what you said
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Well it's different from Scotland to England so you need to decide which one is better first because it's not just the UK.
I personally like the fact that we get to specialise early on to pick subjects we enjoy.
Original post by Muttley79
1) I have NEVER seen a textbook about converting old money to decimal - sounds like a poor school. Do not condemn all schools based on your experience of ONE.

I had to convert between old currency and decimal in year 6 and again at secondary school. At the time I thought it was useless but now I don't think they were bad schools, it's just that it's a way to practice converting in general. In real life I've never had to work out the area of a farmer's hexagonal field or the circumference of a pizza either. They just use those examples to get us to apply maths.

I guess OP's point is that we learn a lot of things at school which we don't use. And that's true on the individual level. I've worked in an admin job and now I'm studying languages. Most of GCSE science and maths don't come up in my life (and I can't remember a lot of the content now anyways!) But other people have jobs that do involve those things, so it's important that we learn them.
Original post by hungrysalamander
I personally like the fact that we get to specialise early on to pick subjects we enjoy.

Wish that we'd specialise sooner tbh. I don't need 2.5 years of secondary school to figure out what I like and dislike...
Original post by jonathanemptage
I think it's one of the worst systems in Europe if not the world. Ok maybe the world is a bit drastic but it's not good. there are a few problems with it that need to be changed:



1/ It is out dated the problem is that the system hasn't changed for the most part since the Victorian era ok I mean sure some of the facilities have and there is a greater range of subjects but the core value of the system (creating factory workers hasn't changed. I mean look at it you are dictated to go to a class room by a bell your are given bells to tell you when to have break come back off break go to lunch come back from lunch and go home Just like a you would in an old factory. The text books have a similar problem they are out dated. One of the "real world problems" (their words) in one of the books when I was in math was convert old money (£,shillings and pence) to our current £ sterling seriously when will I or anybody else ever need to do that. Also metal maths has such a focus yeah you need some and 30 years ago you wouldn't have a calculator with you every day have it but now we don't need such a focus because we do have calculators every day now..

2/ Uniforms are a problem There is a huge debate about this but they really shouldn't be a thing at least in their current form we are supposed to be preparing kids for the "real world" many non customer facing jobs don't have uniforms (some have dress codes.). Your meant to dress suitable to the situation so put in dress codes let kids learn what suitable and what's not instead of saying wear this and only this. you might say how do you keep track of kids on trips then maybe sell a school hoodie or something (like the uni hoodies) and tell them they must wear them on trips. Male the kids sign on to campus with a id card or something that they need to have them at all times like at collage or uni.

3/The attitude people really hate schools and there must be some reason behind that if we look at places like Scandinavia or the Netherlands they seem to have less behaviour problems which of course is related to the attitude and the kids don't seem to mind being there. Obviously they are doing something right so if we overhaul the system here to bring it more in line with there i suspect the attitude of the students and teachers would be better being more conductive to a better learning environment.


I disagree strongly with the uniform bit (I do find business casual dress codes along with some school uniform rules stupid) but I agree with the rest.
Original post by Marc Zigon
For some reason I find the UK school system to be great. What’re your thoughts?

What reasons? What are your thoughts?
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