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Who are you voting for in the local elections?

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Who are you voting for in the local elections?

I only turned 18 last year, so last year was my first year voting, and I voted for Labour. My dad's side of the family is staunchly Labour, my mum's side is a more mixed bag, think they vote for whoever, though they're more traditionally working class than my dad's side.

I was a member of the Labour party and voted for starmer as leader, however I find the party is just...boring. It has no new or interesting ideas; I can't even tell you a single labour manifesto policy. Keir is possibly the most boring political leader and is the least Labour leader I have ever seen. Corbyn might have been a bit radical but at least he appeared stronger in public and on his views.

I left the party, nothing to do with my political views though, but I think this year I will vote for the first time ever, and my grandad would be turning in his grave at this..Tory. Not because I am a tory, but because I think locally, the current Tory administration where I am has avoided bankrupting the local authority, has finally started to re-develop the town centre and adopt its local plan, and the council leader I have met with to discuss my ideas and he is very proactive and actually responds to me which is more than can be said for the other councillors. I'm voting pragmatically, I fear if the Tories don't get into my lcoal area again the other party (likely to be lib dems or NOC) will just reverse all the policies of the previous admin and be worse for the borough. Nationally, however, I would not vote for the Tory party, certainyl not one led by Johnson, who is a serial liar and national embarassment. Also Priti patel's actions with the Rwanda Plan are morally questionable and a huge waste of taxpayers money, not to mention all the other things they've done (or not done).

Political views: I'm not sure where I'd place myself on the political spectrum, considering three years ago I waas literally a Marxist (16 year olds for you), and before that a Libertarian. Right now I believe in free speech; still believe in nationalisation of industries like rail, taxing the rich, legalising (and then taxing) drugs; investing in nuclear energy, integrating new migrants, regenerating areas, moderately socially conservative. Reforming the NHS and making it more efficient and making it waste less of its money. Pro-individual freedom and rights; no more Covid lockdowns and mandates.
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Reply 1
I happen to agree with you. The problem is that it is a rare politician that these days has honesty and integrity and is not making decisions based on the stocks and shares they have a vested interest in. The professional and political classes are entwined in a power cabal.

Even those politicians that claim they not to want expenses or protected inflated pay levels have ulterior motives for social reorganisation and a power grab. They all lie with a few very rare exceptions. They should also have a party manifesto 'In it for me'

Some where along the way the UK population and governing classes lost sight of the the basics of producing enough food for the UK to be self sufficient, preserving coastal waters for fish stocks and marine environments, supporting farmers, fishermen, land owners, ensuring there is enough housing for its population. We need some control over the unabated unchecked numbers of violent offenders allowed entry into the UK. We need to get back to numerical, written and IT basics at school and revive the work ethic, celebrate excellence in academia, sports and good nutrition. Bring back specialist units for the care of children needing experienced and specialist teachers, specialist units for gifted children, separate units for violent children who need care and rehabilitation, get violent offenders locked away to protect us all for much longer in prison with rehabilitation on release.

We cannot provide UK defence as individuals. We need the UK Govt to do this. We cannot as individuals properly defend the borders of the UK. We need the UK Govt to do this. We need to stop bean counting, having reviews, demanding enquiries all because these are cheaper every time than having to do real time improvements which we cannot afford or even come a million miles close to improving.

We need to work productively to provide tax for the provision of armed services, health, education, transport. So much public money is given away and wasted on every frivolous cause and more and more managers are piled in to a system that fails to manage. The level of debt in this country should terrify all of us. Who is bank rolling this? It leaves us all very vulnerable to blackmail just as China coerces third world countries. We need some serious reviews of what constitutes public frugality and good house keeping. We should not keep sleep walking into financial disaster, casting off the end of political term debt as 'somebody else's problem'. The UK finances needs some tough love, limitations on spending and someone with back bone to make them viable. Which party is willing to do this. Without good finances we cannot provide more money for non working families or provide lower taxes for low waged workers.

Above all the NHS needs root and branch reform before more money is thrown at it and to save the souls of the frontline staff who give their all every day and see the mess created by mismanagement of hospital personnel, diagnostics, beds and systems. The never ending policies are created but the realities are mere blue sky thinking.

When the UK is Zimbabwe by any other name we will wonder where it all our wealth went to.
Reply 2
I'll be voting Conservative or spoiling my ballot, I'm not especially enthused currently.
Original post by Rakas21
I'll be voting Conservative or spoiling my ballot, I'm not especially enthused currently.

I think I'll vote similarly to you - the Conservatives are the only party with any ideas while Lab/Lib candidates just continuously criticise.

Sometimes I make an exception if one of the Lab/Lib candidates has more experience, but in my ward the Conservative candidate has worked for years on local issues whereas the others seem opportunists.
Reply 4
Original post by Muttly
I happen to agree with you. The problem is that it is a rare politician that these days has honesty and integrity and is not making decisions based on the stocks and shares they have a vested interest in. The professional and political classes are entwined in a power cabal.

Even those politicians that claim they not to want expenses or protected inflated pay levels have ulterior motives for social reorganisation and a power grab. They all lie with a few very rare exceptions. They should also have a party manifesto 'In it for me'

Some where along the way the UK population and governing classes lost sight of the the basics of producing enough food for the UK to be self sufficient, preserving coastal waters for fish stocks and marine environments, supporting farmers, fishermen, land owners, ensuring there is enough housing for its population. We need some control over the unabated unchecked numbers of violent offenders allowed entry into the UK. We need to get back to numerical, written and IT basics at school and revive the work ethic, celebrate excellence in academia, sports and good nutrition. Bring back specialist units for the care of children needing experienced and specialist teachers, specialist units for gifted children, separate units for violent children who need care and rehabilitation, get violent offenders locked away to protect us all for much longer in prison with rehabilitation on release.

We cannot provide UK defence as individuals. We need the UK Govt to do this. We cannot as individuals properly defend the borders of the UK. We need the UK Govt to do this. We need to stop bean counting, having reviews, demanding enquiries all because these are cheaper every time than having to do real time improvements which we cannot afford or even come a million miles close to improving.

We need to work productively to provide tax for the provision of armed services, health, education, transport. So much public money is given away and wasted on every frivolous cause and more and more managers are piled in to a system that fails to manage. The level of debt in this country should terrify all of us. Who is bank rolling this? It leaves us all very vulnerable to blackmail just as China coerces third world countries. We need some serious reviews of what constitutes public frugality and good house keeping. We should not keep sleep walking into financial disaster, casting off the end of political term debt as 'somebody else's problem'. The UK finances needs some tough love, limitations on spending and someone with back bone to make them viable. Which party is willing to do this. Without good finances we cannot provide more money for non working families or provide lower taxes for low waged workers.

Above all the NHS needs root and branch reform before more money is thrown at it and to save the souls of the frontline staff who give their all every day and see the mess created by mismanagement of hospital personnel, diagnostics, beds and systems. The never ending policies are created but the realities are mere blue sky thinking.

When the UK is Zimbabwe by any other name we will wonder where it all our wealth went to.


Your very first paragraph espouses ignorance
I’ll be voting Conservative because they are the party which really deliver on the issues that matter such as higher taxes, bureaucracy and waste, encroaching on our individual liberties, and levelling down.

In truth, I won’t be voting. I’m relatively new to the area and I know so little about local issues.
I have no idea.

I can't bring myself to vote for the Conservative again.
Can't stomach voting for Alliance, Aontu, the Greens, Labour, Lib Dems, PUP, Sinn Fein, SDLP or TWP.
The DUP are in turmoil and always have far too many vile fanatics or sectarian weirdos with active links to gangs of thugs/extortionist criminals wielding undue influence within their selection lists for local election candidates.
The Official Monster Raving Loony Party is looking like my best option tonight. :biggrin:
Reply 7
I'm a Tory but whilst that moron BoJo is PM I can't bring myself to vote for Conservatives. There is no credible opposition, so this time I shall refrain from voting.
Lots of Conservatives will be standing under the name Local Conservatives.

It seems that the party members are finally waking up and realising what the rest of us have known for years: there is something putrid at the heart of the Conservative Party and it is doing immense damage to the country.
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Reply 9
Original post by JOSH4598
the Conservatives are the only party with any ideas


Kinda intrigued by this. At a national level for the first time since the days of Howard/Hague/IDS I have no idea what 'the Cinservatives are about. Even then I think I had much more of an idea. Locally I've never has a clue what any of them are about.

Is your candidate full of ideas?
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I'm also perplexed that someone would think the Conservative Party have ideas. Their time is office has been characterised by a lack of clear identity, lack of clear vision and lack of well thought out polices.

We can see this most clearly in their lack of solutions of address the productivity problem that has plagued the UK for more than a decade. Every Conservative Chancellor has acknowledged this issue, but there has been no sensible solutions. We are now paying the price for this with the drop in living standards.
Not Labour or Tories for sure. Greens aren't standing where I am so either Lib Dems or spoil ballot.
Not sure yet, I haven't seen a list of candidates who are standing in my area. Last year I voted for the Yorkshire Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_Party
[West Yorkshire Mayoral Election] From what I've seen of them they seem to have some credible policy suggestions & have candidates who have achieved things outside politics- businesspeople, scientists, engineers etc plus they've had some good results at local level. If they've got anyone standing locally then I'll vote for them again. If not, probably Lib Dem. Not my ideal choice but I'd say closest to my views out of the main parties.

Original post by Ferrograd


Political views: I'm not sure where I'd place myself on the political spectrum, considering three years ago I waas literally a Marxist (16 year olds for you), and before that a Libertarian. Right now I believe in free speech; still believe in nationalisation of industries like rail, taxing the rich, legalising (and then taxing) drugs; investing in nuclear energy, integrating new migrants, regenerating areas, moderately socially conservative. Reforming the NHS and making it more efficient and making it waste less of its money. Pro-individual freedom and rights; no more Covid lockdowns and mandates.


From that description, sounds like you'd probably like the SDP. They're quite small but have a few high profile members & are fairly active in some areas. I remember stopping by a street stall they were doing a while back & had an interesting conversation with the guys running it. As far as social conservatism goes I'm more towards the socially liberal/ progressive side on most issues. However, some of the more radical activists really don't help their own cause, so on some of the more moderate/ reasonable social conservative points I can see where people are coming from & I think it's important to encourage dialogue/ civil debate rather than polarisation.
I’m doing a tactical vote for Lib Dem they are the only party that can beat conservative in my area I want them out basically because of Boris I know we aren’t voting for MP’s. It a bad showing in these elections should send a message that we don’t approve.
To shore up support as we approach the local elections, Boris Johnson did an interview with Good Morning Britain. It went as well as can be expected.

Reid quotes from a pensioner, Elsie, who says her energy bill has gone from £15 a month to £85 a month. She is now only having a meal once a day. And she says she uses her freedom pass to spend the day on the bus, so she does not have to pay for heating.

Johnson says as London mayor he introduced the freedom pass.

Reid asks if he is saying the viewer should be grateful.

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In fairness to Boris (though I'm likely spoiling my ballot for similar reasons) I don't really understand why a pensioner would wish to live in London where costs are generally higher.
Original post by Rakas21
In fairness to Boris (though I'm likely spoiling my ballot for similar reasons) I don't really understand why a pensioner would wish to live in London where costs are generally higher.


They've lived there all their lives? It is the only area they know? Their family lives nearby? Their friends live nearby?

The suggestion that a 77 year old pensioner should have to move elsewhere to cope with the greatest drop living standards since 1956 is a damning indictment of the how the Conservative Party and their supporters have damaged Britain.
Original post by Crazed cat lady
They've lived there all their lives? It is the only area they know? Their family lives nearby? Their friends live nearby?

The suggestion that a 77 year old pensioner should have to move elsewhere to cope with the greatest drop living standards since 1956 is a damning indictment of the how the Conservative Party and their supporters have damaged Britain.

Point of order: I support low paid/unemployed/retired leaving London regardless of cost of living.

Getting people that own property out of London actively redistributes wealth outside London, actively 'social cleansing' not only deals with their cost of living but increases the supply of housing stock and the like in London.

- Obviously I'm from the north myself so while I don't wish London to be poorer, I care more about the country as a whole.
Have personally voted for the Lib Dems via postal vote as they're the party that best aligns with my political views. They are also the only party that could challenge Labour in my area who are complacent and incompetent and currently run the council.
I'm struggling to know anymore who to vote for - out of all political parties.

I would vote for any politician who addresses the absolutely disgraceful waste of public tax payers money on non productive projects, handouts and gesture governance. The UK is financially and morally bankrupt and it is spineless of politicians to keep promising themselves pay increases through (cleverly thought out) independent pay bodies and to then offer tax cuts for ordinary people which ultimately reduce the funding available for public services. We can only channel more money for those in poverty and low wages, the NHS, education, transport networks, energy production, national security, prisons, public services, food production, wildlife conservation if we can improve individual and National productivity.

When we cannot get our own population to be motivated to work because that is financially the right option, to get people to pick sprouts, wait at tables, work on farms, work in abattoirs, drive, do care work, or manual hard labour without having to recourse to cheap foreign labour then something has gone badly wrong in this country.

This does not mean pushing operational workers to the brink. We need to make work processes at every level more efficient and streamlined. If this means sacking ineffective managers at every level and preserving front line workers so be it. I am voting for any counsellor or politician who prevents huge fees being paid to top grade civil servants, ministers and politicians, or outsourced consultants. Somewhere along the line in the last forty years the Government of all parties has lost the moral high ground. It spurned excellence and expertise in specialist roles shunning experience in favour of 'fly by night' management styles imported from America. It copied American schooling and deconstructed traditional educational methods producing generations of children unable to read, write and to do basic maths and to have no work ethic. It has left generations of adults having no world perspective, no underpinning knowledge to draw on, and no ability to function effectively in the workplace. Previous safeguards in building regulations, fire regulations and other legislation have been deregulated, watered down and left deliberately vague to our cost. The lack of expertise and foresight in role in civil service has left our country open to security blunders. We now pay huge amounts to so called 'specialist' experts to tell us how to create and undertake ordinary national projects which invariably fail or run over budget.

Yet we still pay the politicians who commission such projects vast overblown salaries. Boris missed an opportunity to reduce the pay of all publicly paid politicians and counsellors across the nation by at least 20% to get the balance back on public service spending. Politicians of all parties (and counsellors & senior management of all public services) should have their salaries capped at an arbitrary low figure at least until public finances improve - and then not be allowed to increase this by back door expenses or payment by other means. Be a politician for the right reasons. Jobs for the boys and woke projects have allowed this salary excess to run riot. I fully support any private individuals who through their own merit and hard work have create employment, where as directors or CEO's they have worked 24/7, mortgaged their home, devoted years and years of hard work, missed family life to achieve their success. They should be allowed to fully appreciate those benefits and those salaries. They deserve them.

We are so ensnared by ill thought out legislation it now prevents even elected politicians to be able to run the country safely and effectively. It is almost impossible to sack any manager for being ineffective.

Show me any politician or counsellor who is prepared to be accountable to stop this out of control frivolous spending on incompetent or worthless projects which are causing so much wastage of public money and they will get my vote.

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