These are the best universities in the UK . . . whether you like it or not

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Oxbridge
LSE
Imperial
UCL
KCL
Edinburgh
Manchester
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No, I'd put most of them near the top but to exclude such universities as St Andrews and Durham whilst including KCL isn't reflective of most league tables or how those universities are generally perceived.
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Time for our weekly subjective list of the 'best' unis according to a random TSR user without stating their methodologies or the subjects that the rankings are for.
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No, I'd put most of them near the top but to exclude such universities as St Andrews and Durham whilst including KCL isn't reflective of most league tables or how those universities are generally perceived.
You clearly don't know much about how leading academics think, do you? St Andrews and Durham, whilst considered as very good, are not at the elite level of the universities with incomes of around £1 billion annually.
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Time for our weekly subjective list of the 'best' unis according to a random TSR user without stating their methodologies or the subjects that the rankings are for.
This is not a random or subjective thread - this IS how a lot of leading academics in the UK think about our best universities. Just go and ask some of them and you will see yourself.
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KCL above St A, Durham, Warwick? are you international? because most of these are famous internationally.
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This is not a random or subjective thread - this IS how a lot of leading academics in the UK think about our best universities. Just go and ask some of them and you will see yourself.
McGinger is an academic... let's ask them.
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Don't care, didn't ask.
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This is such a tiresome and pointless way to look at unis, aside from the fact there is clearly zero actual methodology involved in this "list".

Consider for example history of art - it's not even offered by LSE or Imperial, and The Courtauld is better than almost all of those unis save Oxbridge (and maybe UCL). So for that field, it's not representative.

Likewise, only two of those unis have dental schools. Most don't offer the vast majority of allied health professions courses. Only Edinburgh might offer courses in graphic design or animation for example. None offer marine biology or oceanography as far as I'm aware. Etc, etc...

How are these the best unis for those fields when they don't even offer relevant courses? The answer is of course, they're not, and therefore they can't be the "best" universities "overall" because no such thing exists.
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You clearly don't know much about how leading academics think, do you? St Andrews and Durham, whilst considered as very good, are not at the elite level of the universities with incomes of around £1 billion annually.
Incomes have nothing to do with the quality of education.

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This is not a random or subjective thread - this IS how a lot of leading academics in the UK think about our best universities. Just go and ask some of them and you will see yourself.
"Leading academics" disagree on a lot so it is subjective.
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KCL above St A, Durham, Warwick? are you international? because most of these are famous internationally.
I am UK based, not international. Also, this is a general impression of which are the leading UK universities. There will always be others that are better in certain subjects, but on the whole these are the best in the UK.
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This is such a tiresome and pointless way to look at unis, aside from the fact there is clearly zero actual methodology involved in this "list".

Consider for example history of art - it's not even offered by LSE or Imperial, and The Courtauld is better than almost all of those unis save Oxbridge (and maybe UCL). So for that field, it's not representative.

Only two of those unis have dental schools. Most don't offer the vast majority of allied health professions courses. Only Edinbrugh might offer courses in graphic design or animation for example.

Etc, etc...
See my earlier post.
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Incomes have nothing to do with the quality of education.


"Leading academics" disagree on a lot so it is subjective.
Wrong on both points here.
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McGinger is an academic... let's ask them.
A leading academic in his/her field? Have you asked anyone from Oxbridge, for example?
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McGinger is an academic... let's ask them.
I don't respond to posters like this who are clearly very naive and just want to get attention.

Suffice to say, there is no 'best' - however you think you can measure it.
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Wrong on both points here.
Oxbridge are the only institutions with revenues over £1 billion. Many universities in the US have much higher revenues, does that mean that all of them are "better" than Oxford and Cambridge.
Academics are not a hivemind, ofc they disagree so your point is incorrect.
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I don't respond to posters like this who are clearly very naive and just want to get attention.

Suffice to say, there is no 'best' - however you think you can measure it.
Play the ball, not the man. Are you a leading academic within your field?
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Also I assure you, this "list" is not the only set of universities academics think are worthwhile in the UK, and that is absolutely not how academics think about universities in general.

As noted, The Courtauld would feature ahead of most of these as far as academia is concerned in the history of art. Likewise the Warburg institute. SOAS would be much more notable for a lot of fields in its specialist areas for academia. Bristol would be better regarded than most of these except Warwick, Imperial, and Oxbridge within mathematics academia.

Additionally academia is necessarily specific so even my own examples are misleading because they are painted with such a broad brush. If one wanted to work on feminist philosophy then I gather Sheffield is far better than most of the other unis listed above. For research in Jaina studies SOAS would probably be the best place, with Oxford sitting in second; for Zoroastrian studies, SOAS would probably put up a stiff competition with Oxford for the top spot.

So you can't even consider things as broadly as "philosophy" or "religious studies" since as illustrated above for academia it depends wholly on the very niche area you are working on. For a particular area there might only be two or three academics in the entire UK working on it, and they almost certainly won't all be at the same uni (no doubt because the uni will want to find other academics in other areas to have a broad research portfolio...).
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I don't respond to posters like this who are clearly very naive and just want to get attention.

Suffice to say, there is no 'best' - however you think you can measure it.
Sorry for dragging you into this then.
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Play the ball, not the man. Are you a leading academic within your field?
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Oxbridge are the only institutions with revenues over £1 billion. Many universities in the US have much higher revenues, does that mean that all of them are "better" than Oxford and Cambridge.
Academics are not a hivemind, ofc they disagree so your point is incorrect.
I am not referring to endowments, only the annual incomes published by universities annually in their financial plans.
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