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differentiation question

I need help with this

x=(y+7)/√y

can someone explain it to me please in a simple way


Thanks in advance
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So... what's the question exactly? Also what's your progress so far?
Reply 2
Change the root y into a power form. Which gives you y^1/2.
Bring it to the top and youll get:
x= (y+7)y^-1/2 (Notice the sign change on the power)
Then you can expand the bracket. And hence differentiate.
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Original post by 2022 g
Change the root y into a power form. Which gives you y^1/2.
Bring it to the top and youll get:
x= (y+7)y^-1/2 (Notice the sign change on the power)
Then you can expand the bracket. And hence differentiate.


wouldn't root Y be -1/2 as its the denominator?
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Original post by sarahjanesmith
wouldn't root Y be -1/2 as its the denominator?


Only when you bring it up into the numerator.

Whilst it's in the denominator you're just rewriting y\sqrt{y} as y1/2y^{1/2}
Reply 5
Original post by sarahjanesmith
wouldn't root Y be -1/2 as its the denominator?

As above has rightly said :smile:
Original post by ghostwalker
Only when you bring it up into the numerator.

Whilst it's in the denominator you're just rewriting y\sqrt{y} as y1/2y^{1/2}

if you were going to differentiate 1 over root y you would need to rearrange it right? would that be y^-1/2 or y^1/2
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Original post by sarahjanesmith
if you were going to differentiate 1 over root y you would need to rearrange it right? would that be y^-1/2 or y^1/2


You can rearrange it, yes.

You have y+7y\dfrac{y+7}{\sqrt{y}}

Which is the same as

y+7y1/2\dfrac{y+7}{y^{1/2}}


And can be rewritten as:

(y+7)y1/2(y+7)y^{-1/2}


As @2022 g said in their first post.
Original post by ghostwalker
You can rearrange it, yes.

You have y+7y\dfrac{y+7}{\sqrt{y}}

Which is the same as

y+7y1/2\dfrac{y+7}{y^{1/2}}


And can be rewritten as:

(y+7)y1/2(y+7)y^{-1/2}


As @2022 g said in their first post.

is it possible to differentiate it further?
Reply 9
Original post by sarahjanesmith
is it possible to differentiate it further?

Do you mean "differentiate" or "simplify"? You haven't done any differentiation yet :smile:

It is certainly possible to simplify by multiplying out the bracket using the standard rules of indices.
Original post by sarahjanesmith
is it possible to differentiate it further?


So far we have rearranged the function to make it easier to differentiate. So we haven’t differentiated yet.
(y+7)y^-1/2 you should expand this equation.
And then you begin to differentiate.
Original post by 2022 g
So far we have rearranged the function to make it easier to differentiate. So we haven’t differentiated yet.
(y+7)y^-1/2 you should expand this equation.
And then you begin to differentiate.



Original post by davros
Do you mean "differentiate" or "simplify"? You haven't done any differentiation yet :smile:

It is certainly possible to simplify by multiplying out the bracket using the standard rules of indices.

To expand it would it be

y2^-1/2 + 7y^-1/2
Original post by sarahjanesmith
To expand it would it be

y2^-1/2 + 7y^-1/2

You got the “7y^-1/2” right.
Did you make a typo with the “y2^-1/2” because that part is incorrect.
Original post by 2022 g
You got the “7y^-1/2” right.
Did you make a typo with the “y2^-1/2” because that part is incorrect.

y x y =y^2?
Original post by sarahjanesmith
y x y =y^2?

That is correct but we are not multiplying y x y. You’re expanding (y+7)y^-1/2 which gives you:
y x y^-1/2 = y^1/2 and 7 x y^-1/2 = 7y-1/2. ===> y^1/2 +7y^-1/2
When multiplying y variables (as shown for “y x y^-1/2 = y^1/2”).
You would add the powers. 1 + (-1/2) = 1/2

So now you have x= y^1/2 +7y^-1/2
So now you would differentiate.
Original post by 2022 g
That is correct but we are not multiplying y x y. You’re expanding (y+7)y^-1/2 which gives you:
y x y^-1/2 = y^1/2 and 7 x y^-1/2 = 7y-1/2. ===> y^1/2 +7y^-1/2
When multiplying y variables (as shown for “y x y^-1/2 = y^1/2”).
You would add the powers. 1 + (-1/2) = 1/2

So now you have x= y^1/2 +7y^-1/2
So now you would differentiate.



y x y^-1/2 = y^1/2 and 7 x y^-1/2 = 7y-1/2. ===> y^1/2 +7y^-1/2
When multiplying y variables (as shown for “y x y^-1/2 = y^1/2”).
You would add the powers. 1 + (-1/2) = 1/2


this just doesn't make sense to me, maths isn't my strongest sorry
Original post by sarahjanesmith
is it possible to differentiate it further?


Original post by sarahjanesmith
y x y^-1/2 = y^1/2 and 7 x y^-1/2 = 7y-1/2. ===> y^1/2 +7y^-1/2
When multiplying y variables (as shown for “y x y^-1/2 = y^1/2”).
You would add the powers. 1 + (-1/2) = 1/2


this just doesn't make sense to me, maths isn't my strongest sorry

Are you happy with multiplying out brackets generally - in particular the rule that a(b + c) = ab + ac ?

You're trying to work out (y+7)y1/2(y + 7)y^{-1/2} which is the same as y1/2(y+7)y^{-1/2}(y + 7). So in this case we have a=y1/2,b=y,c=7a = y^{-1/2}, b = y, c = 7.

Then ab=y1/2×y=y1/2 ab = y^{-1/2} \times y = y^{1/2} and ac=y1/2×7=7y1/2ac = y^{-1/2} \times 7 = 7y^{-1/2} so the final answer is y1/2+7y1/2y^{1/2} + 7y^{-1/2}.

Btw you keep using the word "differentiate" - is this a typo? Differentiation is an advanced maths technique and has nothing to do with what we're doing here, so I think some of the early attempts to help were a bit confused :smile:
Original post by davros
Are you happy with multiplying out brackets generally - in particular the rule that a(b + c) = ab + ac ?

You're trying to work out (y+7)y1/2(y + 7)y^{-1/2} which is the same as y1/2(y+7)y^{-1/2}(y + 7). So in this case we have a=y1/2,b=y,c=7a = y^{-1/2}, b = y, c = 7.

Then ab=y1/2×y=y1/2 ab = y^{-1/2} \times y = y^{1/2} and ac=y1/2×7=7y1/2ac = y^{-1/2} \times 7 = 7y^{-1/2} so the final answer is y1/2+7y1/2y^{1/2} + 7y^{-1/2}.

Btw you keep using the word "differentiate" - is this a typo? Differentiation is an advanced maths technique and has nothing to do with what we're doing here, so I think some of the early attempts to help were a bit confused :smile:

That all makes sense now, thank you.

The question itself is how to differentiate it, I was just struggling with this question as a whole

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