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Original thread title: Oxbridge to ban private school children
We are not quite there yet, but things are moving in that direction....
"The vice-chancellor of Cambridge has warned private school pupils that they will lose out on Oxbridge places to state school peers in a bid to boost diversity.
Professor Stephen Toope, a Canadian who leaves his £365,000-a-year role this September after a series of bruising battles with 'woke warriors', said the ancient university has been working hard to boost its state school intake. "
what do you think ?
also, if you earned £1000 a day what would you buy ?
Full story here:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...arns-7crr2vlgx
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...hool-students/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ool-peers.html
We are not quite there yet, but things are moving in that direction....
"The vice-chancellor of Cambridge has warned private school pupils that they will lose out on Oxbridge places to state school peers in a bid to boost diversity.
Professor Stephen Toope, a Canadian who leaves his £365,000-a-year role this September after a series of bruising battles with 'woke warriors', said the ancient university has been working hard to boost its state school intake. "
what do you think ?
also, if you earned £1000 a day what would you buy ?
Full story here:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...arns-7crr2vlgx
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...hool-students/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ool-peers.html
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Isn't it 50/50 at the minute? I go to a private school, I'm not particularly concerned about it. If you and someone else are in a race, and you had a headstart, but finish at the same time, the other person would have won that race. Admissions tutors have to be fair, and oxbridge are always under a lot of scrutiny, so I'm not concerned.
If I earned that, I would buy a pool, pets, and a house in the countryside. WBU?
If I earned that, I would buy a pool, pets, and a house in the countryside. WBU?
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Isn't it 50/50 at the minute? I go to a private school, I'm not particularly concerned about it. If you and someone else are in a race, and you had a headstart, but finish at the same time, the other person would have won that race. Admissions tutors have to be fair, and oxbridge are always under a lot of scrutiny, so I'm not concerned.
If I earned that, I would buy a pool, pets, and a house in the countryside. WBU?
Isn't it 50/50 at the minute? I go to a private school, I'm not particularly concerned about it. If you and someone else are in a race, and you had a headstart, but finish at the same time, the other person would have won that race. Admissions tutors have to be fair, and oxbridge are always under a lot of scrutiny, so I'm not concerned.
If I earned that, I would buy a pool, pets, and a house in the countryside. WBU?
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(Original post by the bear)
We are not quite there yet, but things are moving in that direction....
"The vice-chancellor of Cambridge has warned private school pupils that they will lose out on Oxbridge places to state school peers in a bid to boost diversity.
Professor Stephen Toope, a Canadian who leaves his £365,000-a-year role this September after a series of bruising battles with 'woke warriors', said the ancient university has been working hard to boost its state school intake. "
what do you think ?
also, if you earned £1000 a day what would you buy ?
We are not quite there yet, but things are moving in that direction....
"The vice-chancellor of Cambridge has warned private school pupils that they will lose out on Oxbridge places to state school peers in a bid to boost diversity.
Professor Stephen Toope, a Canadian who leaves his £365,000-a-year role this September after a series of bruising battles with 'woke warriors', said the ancient university has been working hard to boost its state school intake. "
what do you think ?
also, if you earned £1000 a day what would you buy ?
I'd just buy the necessary stuff and save as much as I can until I don't have to work at all
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This will have a profound impact on private schools. Why will parents want to spend all that money for their kids to be disadvantaged when applying to top unis? It would be quite interesting to see how this pans out.
I'd just buy the necessary stuff and save as much as I can until I don't have to work at all
This will have a profound impact on private schools. Why will parents want to spend all that money for their kids to be disadvantaged when applying to top unis? It would be quite interesting to see how this pans out.
I'd just buy the necessary stuff and save as much as I can until I don't have to work at all
Only foreign families will be able to afford private education here.
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(Original post by the bear)
We are not quite there yet, but things are moving in that direction....
"The vice-chancellor of Cambridge has warned private school pupils that they will lose out on Oxbridge places to state school peers in a bid to boost diversity.
Professor Stephen Toope, a Canadian who leaves his £365,000-a-year role this September after a series of bruising battles with 'woke warriors', said the ancient university has been working hard to boost its state school intake. "
what do you think ?
also, if you earned £1000 a day what would you buy ?
We are not quite there yet, but things are moving in that direction....
"The vice-chancellor of Cambridge has warned private school pupils that they will lose out on Oxbridge places to state school peers in a bid to boost diversity.
Professor Stephen Toope, a Canadian who leaves his £365,000-a-year role this September after a series of bruising battles with 'woke warriors', said the ancient university has been working hard to boost its state school intake. "
what do you think ?
also, if you earned £1000 a day what would you buy ?
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I go to a state school and i think that’s quite unfair. It’s defo unnecessary to say the least. You should always be judged on merit & grit. So if private school children have disproportionately more accolades and grit, then state schools just need to up their game by any means necessary
I go to a state school and i think that’s quite unfair. It’s defo unnecessary to say the least. You should always be judged on merit & grit. So if private school children have disproportionately more accolades and grit, then state schools just need to up their game by any means necessary
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I go to a state school and i think that’s quite unfair. It’s defo unnecessary to say the least. You should always be judged on merit & grit. So if private school children have disproportionately more accolades and grit, then state schools just need to up their game by any means necessary
I go to a state school and i think that’s quite unfair. It’s defo unnecessary to say the least. You should always be judged on merit & grit. So if private school children have disproportionately more accolades and grit, then state schools just need to up their game by any means necessary
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(Original post by CatInTheCorner)
Hard when state schools have bad funding, though. I agree with the merit bit, but private school kids tend to have better facilities, and also are from richer households which can afford tutors, private studying space, extra textbooks, etc. WP policies are very important, imho
Hard when state schools have bad funding, though. I agree with the merit bit, but private school kids tend to have better facilities, and also are from richer households which can afford tutors, private studying space, extra textbooks, etc. WP policies are very important, imho
Those with more support should be held to a higher standard but it should be assessed on a case by case basis
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(Original post by j25_8)
I go to a state school and i think that’s quite unfair. It’s defo unnecessary to say the least. You should always be judged on merit & grit. So if private school children have disproportionately more accolades and grit, then state schools just need to up their game by any means necessary
I go to a state school and i think that’s quite unfair. It’s defo unnecessary to say the least. You should always be judged on merit & grit. So if private school children have disproportionately more accolades and grit, then state schools just need to up their game by any means necessary
Which is the issue at hand. As indicated above, if someone has a head start and finishes at the same time as someone else, it's not exactly fair to say they are the winner over the other person who had to go further, faster, and work harder to get there.
Also as indicated above the split between state/private school students is not representative of the national population which clearly indicates private school students have a significant advantage in the current system.
(also I think it's a little disingenuous to claim they are "banning" private school applicants)
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(Original post by lesgo21)
We should be fully aware that there are a wide range of state schools. Also, there are plenty of families who are more than capable of sending their kids to private schools but choose not to so those kids may get private tutoring etc..
Those with more support should be held to a higher standard but it should be assessed on a case by case basis
We should be fully aware that there are a wide range of state schools. Also, there are plenty of families who are more than capable of sending their kids to private schools but choose not to so those kids may get private tutoring etc..
Those with more support should be held to a higher standard but it should be assessed on a case by case basis
Agree again, but case by case would take too long, income or home location based WP works well, it seems?
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Isn't it 50/50 at the minute? I go to a private school, I'm not particularly concerned about it. If you and someone else are in a race, and you had a headstart, but finish at the same time, the other person would have won that race. Admissions tutors have to be fair, and oxbridge are always under a lot of scrutiny, so I'm not concerned.
If I earned that, I would buy a pool, pets, and a house in the countryside. WBU?
Isn't it 50/50 at the minute? I go to a private school, I'm not particularly concerned about it. If you and someone else are in a race, and you had a headstart, but finish at the same time, the other person would have won that race. Admissions tutors have to be fair, and oxbridge are always under a lot of scrutiny, so I'm not concerned.
If I earned that, I would buy a pool, pets, and a house in the countryside. WBU?
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(Original post by j25_8)
I go to a state school and i think that’s quite unfair. It’s defo unnecessary to say the least. You should always be judged on merit & grit. So if private school children have disproportionately more accolades and grit, then state schools just need to up their game by any means necessary
I go to a state school and i think that’s quite unfair. It’s defo unnecessary to say the least. You should always be judged on merit & grit. So if private school children have disproportionately more accolades and grit, then state schools just need to up their game by any means necessary
these colleges could be endowed by, and named after, companies such as Tesco, Sports Direct, McDonalds &c.
College gowns and scarves, which currently are rather dowdy affairs, would become multi-colored advertising hoardings.
10% of places would be allocated by lottery to "kids" with no qualifications whatsoever, as long as they have at least three convictions for anti-social behaviour and that.
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(Original post by CatInTheCorner)
Much agreed, but that's why a lot of WP schemes are based on income too.
Agree again, but case by case would take too long, income or home location based WP works well, it seems?
Much agreed, but that's why a lot of WP schemes are based on income too.
Agree again, but case by case would take too long, income or home location based WP works well, it seems?
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50/50?
50/50?
" typically between 30% and 40% of Oxbridge undergraduates come from the private sector"
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...did-they-do-it
Not exactly 50/50, I was running off a rough memory.
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Real money or Toope dollars?
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(also I think it's a little disingenuous to claim they are "banning" private school applicants)
Real money or Toope dollars?
(also I think it's a little disingenuous to claim they are "banning" private school applicants)
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(Original post by the bear)
We are not quite there yet, but things are moving in that direction....
"The vice-chancellor of Cambridge has warned private school pupils that they will lose out on Oxbridge places to state school peers in a bid to boost diversity.
Professor Stephen Toope, a Canadian who leaves his £365,000-a-year role this September after a series of bruising battles with 'woke warriors', said the ancient university has been working hard to boost its state school intake. "
what do you think ?
also, if you earned £1000 a day what would you buy ?
We are not quite there yet, but things are moving in that direction....
"The vice-chancellor of Cambridge has warned private school pupils that they will lose out on Oxbridge places to state school peers in a bid to boost diversity.
Professor Stephen Toope, a Canadian who leaves his £365,000-a-year role this September after a series of bruising battles with 'woke warriors', said the ancient university has been working hard to boost its state school intake. "
what do you think ?
also, if you earned £1000 a day what would you buy ?
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Completely pointless whilst the price of university is so high. I heard you aren't allowed to work if you go to oxbridge, how is the average state school student going to be able to afford it?
Completely pointless whilst the price of university is so high. I heard you aren't allowed to work if you go to oxbridge, how is the average state school student going to be able to afford it?
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