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There was no third option on the referendum. I'd have probably voted for something like "stay in the Single Market and the Customs Union but not Federal EU state" but that wasn't a possibility, was it.

That was on the ballot paper. It was remain. Despite the fear mongering of the right-wing press, a federal state of Europe has never been on the cards. Yet ironically, here we are watching Ukraine being torn to pieces and hoping that if things get worse, Nato countries stick to their promises. The sad irony is that if Europe and the UK were genuinely threatened by the likes of Russia or anyone else, we would be falling over each other to put up a united front. Brexiteers just can't stomach the idea of forming such alliances in peace times which is pretty lame if you ask me. It all harks back to the rose tinted idea that we are still a world super-power which we are not. Stronger together. Weaker in isolation, always.

After Russia, the UK is currently a bit of a joke when it comes to foreign policy. We are neither leading nor showing strong independent thinking. We're that kid in the playground no one wants to play with but reluctantly gets asked to play cricket because he has a half decent bat.

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Reply 41

imlikeahermit

Yessss! Now we can measure in imperial measurements as well as metric. Yet another amazing benefit of Brexit.

Rule Britannia! Britannia rules the waves!

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Reply 42

Talkative Toad

Volunteer Team

Original post by imlikeahermit

Yessss! Now we can measure in imperial measurements as well as metric. Yet another amazing benefit of Brexit.

Rule Britannia! Britannia rules the waves!

Can't tell whether this is sarcasm or not, I don't like the imperial system honestly.

Reply 43

Muttly

The UK has been running financially empty for decades, and the long term planning for secure energy supplies which should have taken place two or three decades or more ago was always sidestepped by previous political parties. It was put into the 'too difficult basket' It never took place. All political parties have responsibility for this and we the public will have to put up with the consequences. The same can be said for financially strapped NHS Trusts who had risk assessment planning exercises for a pandemic and then ignored the need to have reserves of kit.

The countries finances have been shored up by council house sales, retirees with lump sums, the housing price rises, financial money lending, the list goes on. We have become less productive as a nation. The population does not has a strong work ethic anymore, always have excuses not to work and does not see hard manual jobs as something they should do. We are encouraged to see people who undertake the lowest paid work as 'stupid' but not as stupid as now having to have an educational degree to even be able to apply for such roles.

Our population growth has far exceeded any tax revenue necessary to crank up school places, teachers, armed forces, police, road sweeping, NHS provision, the list goes on. We have become reliant on cheap imports.

The numbers of people who are now corrupt in local and UK Govt departments is extremely concerning. Even public bodies governed by board directors are putting time and money into fighting to defending Institutional reputations rather than to improving service process (which cannot be seen to fail) North East Ambulance Trust? The Scottish Government is now attempting by legislation to muzzle all employees in public services (lest they speak up about the deplorable public service failures) the list goes on. The Irish agreement is all about not wanting 'hard' borders between Ireland and the UK - perhaps because it threatens the free easy channels for smuggling drugs, money and people into the UK which ultimately keep funding the well organised crime gangs and corrupt political elite (in Europe) Brexit allows us to have legislation to counter this without the need for approval from 27 other state countries (soon to be merged into a single EU politburo)

So all of the above are clear and present dangers to a stable society. We were becoming engulfed in a socialist communist style state of Europe which was even more corrupt than the UK. We were being 'kettled' down a road the majority in this country did not want to go down. At least we are now free to impose what ever legislation we see fit to Govern our own country. That was not possible before Brexit. If only we could find the people who are educated sufficiently with good world perspective, sensible and honest to run the country we might make a start but as fast as someone tries to improve the failed systems someone else sabotages it. With so many people in the country now fighting so many different beliefs & directions we might look back on the 1960's and wonder where it all went wrong.

The financial woes we have endured for decades will not vanish overnight. There is no magic fix after Brexit but we are as we are with our own rule. That comes with inflation, global supply line shortages, Covid with furlough, energy costs, and supporting the war in Ukraine. Even with a static population level we should expect lower standards of living, less money, poorer standards of health service, cut backs in all public services. The knee jerk reaction is to put in another layer of bureaucracy to manage it (more ineffective managers) However, the UK population is growing at an eye watering level and we don't have enough infrastructure or housing provision to cater for this. This is why we should limit immigration. It is still hugely important but Covid and Ukraine have overshadowed the conversations.

It is unrealistic to expect the UK to bounce back in matter of months from Brexit. It will take decades. But the warning is that we only have to look to Ukraine to see how easily it would be for a foreign aggressor to completely overthrow our unarmed work shy population with our minimal armed forces. End of Brexit and end game.

Reply 44

imlikeahermit

Original post by Talkative Toad

Can't tell whether this is sarcasm or not, I don't like the imperial system honestly.

Sarcasm pal.

Reply 45

Talkative Toad

Volunteer Team

Original post by imlikeahermit

Sarcasm pal.

Got it. Can't see any benefits to Brexit personally either but meh.

Reply 46

hotpud

Original post by Muttly

The UK has been running financially empty for decades,

The countries finances have been shored up by council house sales, retirees with lump sums, the housing price rises, financial money lending

Our population growth has far exceeded any tax revenue necessary to crank up school places, teachers, armed forces, police, road sweeping, NHS provision, the list goes on. We have become reliant on cheap imports.

The numbers of people who are now corrupt in local and UK Govt departments is extremely concerning.

I don't buy any of this. They are cheap words and with all due respect based on no evidence other than the sort of rantings you hear down a working class pub.

Let us not forget that the UK has been one of the largest economies in the world in terms of output for many years now. That isn't exactly what I call running on empty. Similarly, we haven't been propped up on council tax sales although I agree it isn't a particularly progressive policy.

It has been the choice of our Tory government not to invest in education or the NHS, not some sort of accidental by-product of "running on empty".

Similarly, population growth is what has kept our economy buoyant for so long and repeated studies have shown that immigration has not had a detrimental effect on our economy. The current baby boom going through our high schools occurred at a time when immigration was quite low.

As for corrupt politicians. We have liars and people in it for themselves, but that has been exposed and is well documented. But corrupt - e.g. taking cash to push through certain policies that benefit specific individuals - got any evidence for that?

Reply 47

imlikeahermit

Airports at a standstill because British firms cannot hire EU workers. British Airways renting planes from EU companies in order to fulfil flights in turn pushing prices up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-airport-flights-disruption-ryanair-b2105790.html?amp

I am absolutely loving every single part of this. They were warned. This is exactly what people voted for. Michael O’Leary has hit the nail on the head. This government is so hell bent on showing that Brexit isn’t an abject failure when it clearly is they can’t see the wood for the trees.

Reply 48

Fullofsurprises

Original post by imlikeahermit

They are completely powerless to do anything about it as well.

Reply 49

imlikeahermit

Original post by Fullofsurprises

They are completely powerless to do anything about it as well.

Precisely, apart from either renting other aircraft through other companies to run their flights. Or, do what Michael O’Leary did, a very clever man, and register his aircraft in Malta etc.

Reply 50

Sorcerer's Storm

We all know Brexit has been an abject failure, even the Brexiteers themselves, they just can’t admit it. It’s done nothing to “take back control” and the NHS is struggling more than ever with none of those however many billions were promised. Laughable really. Thank Merlin I still have an EU passport.

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Reply 51

Rakas21

The new immigration system allows any of these airport workers in if they have a job offer above 20k.

Though I'm not overly sad that money is being kept in the country.

Reply 52

imlikeahermit

Original post by Rakas21

The new immigration system allows any of these airport workers in if they have a job offer above 20k.

Though I'm not overly sad that money is being kept in the country.

Was it you who suggested that people should just holiday in the U.K. instead?

Reply 53

imlikeahermit

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-will-leave-workers-poorer-than-they-would-have-been-and-has-damaged-britains-competitiveness-new-study-says-12638190

“The full effect of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement will take years to be felt but the move towards a more closed economy, say the authors, will make the UK less competitive, which will reduce productivity and real wages, it was predicted.”

Remember when I said the poor voted to make themselves poorer? Project fear? Right? :rolleyes:

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Reply 54

Rakas21

Original post by imlikeahermit

Was it you who suggested that people should just holiday in the U.K. instead?

Yes, it's more economically valuable and you get less ques. The Isles of Scilly have palm trees.

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Reply 55

imlikeahermit

Original post by Rakas21

Yes, it's more economically valuable and you get less ques. The Isles of Scilly have palm trees.

So that’s your solution to the current self imposed transport difficulties? Stay in the U.K.?

Reply 56

Talkative Toad

Volunteer Team

Brilliant lad let's blame remainer elites for the mess of Brexit, it ain't got nothing to do with Brexit Voters: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18933262/defeatist-mindset-brexit-benefits/ (obvious sarcasm).

Reply 57

imlikeahermit