Times Higher Education - Bristol beats Oxford in Research Excellence Framework

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The Research Excellence Framework 2021 results are out and......

https://www.timeshighereducation.com...ults-announced

Oxford is no longer even a "top 6" UK university. It may not be better to apply to Bristol because of the mindset of some employers, but has it become abundantly clear that if you want to get a good education it's better to go to Bristol?

If you want to learn from better researchers, or the best researchers, why would you even consider applying to Oxford when it's not even a "top 6" university?

Does Bristol have significantly better postgraduate courses than Oxford?
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Okay :borat:
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Oh this will be a good thread
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Oh this will be a good thread
I can feel it... 10 pages by evening.
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I can feel it... 10 pages by evening.
Feel it in your bones!
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Feel it in your bones!
And they'll have to move this to educational debate forum. This is going to cause immense pain to TSR Oxbridge population.
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If you want to learn from better researchers, or the best researchers, why would you even consider applying to Oxford when it's not even a "top 6" university?
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However, the rule change has been linked to universities’ decisions to move many staff on to teaching-only contracts in recent years, with the latest data showing that about 20,000 academics are employed on such terms compared with five years ago.
Pretty common to hear students complain about the research superstar who gave very unsatisfactory teaching... maybe you'd be better off being taught by someone who was there to teach and for whom teaching wasn't an unwanted irritation?

if you're doing a doctorate or MRes I'd expect you're better off looking at which unis have groups doing the research you're interested in rather than playing league table bingo.
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The Research Excellence Framework 2021 results are out and......

https://www.timeshighereducation.com...ults-announced

Oxford is no longer even a "top 6" UK university. It may not be better to apply to Bristol because of the mindset of some employers, but has it become abundantly clear that if you want to get a good education it's better to go to Bristol?

If you want to learn from better researchers, or the best researchers, why would you even consider applying to Oxford when it's not even a "top 6" university?

Does Bristol have significantly better postgraduate courses than Oxford?
Hiya, thanks for starting a really interesting thread :grin:

Just letting you know that I've moved your thread to a more appropriate forum and altered the title to be accurate to the article. :yy:
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The Research Excellence Framework 2021 results are out and......

https://www.timeshighereducation.com...ults-announced

Oxford is no longer even a "top 6" UK university. It may not be better to apply to Bristol because of the mindset of some employers, but has it become abundantly clear that if you want to get a good education it's better to go to Bristol?

If you want to learn from better researchers, or the best researchers, why would you even consider applying to Oxford when it's not even a "top 6" university?

Does Bristol have significantly better postgraduate courses than Oxford?
I use the REF power index as the best measure of a whole universities research significance (it factors volume & quality of research), besides research really matters on a field level.

oxford has the highest score in the power ranking...
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The University of York comes in at number 10, dismissing (unfair) accusations of it being a second tier (or worse) university. It used to be a top 10 university several years ago, and clearly the REF shows it is still a strong university (even more so, actually, as it's improved in standing) despite TSR snobbery.
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Its important to understand what is being ranked, universities submit research, knowing roughly where it stacks up, so if your faculties specifically don’t submit your research with lower output your score jumps in the quality ranking but drops in the overall output, the link provided is a measure of GPA relative to 4* research, but how much research as well as how much 4* research is important. If your looking for the overall perspective power rating (which is essentially an index of volume & the assessed quality GPA) is the best indicator of research output & potential on a macro level, when what really matters is specific research groups & labs anyway...
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This has got to be a piece of good news for those who really want to go to Oxbridge. A number of candidates will now go to Bristol and likes instead of Oxbridge. Thereby reducing competition for Oxbridge.

Oh no - just realised actually in terms of Research Powered (Index), RP Rank and market share, University of Oxford is actually first by a long distance.Name:  Picture 1111.jpg
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Note: In the latest REF universities had to submit all of their research active staff. As has been pointed out, Research Power tries to measure quantity x quality.

I work at Bristol as an admissions tutor (and I’m delighted with the REF results) but I’d strongly advise against focusing on metrics when making decisions. Getting a feel for an institution and deciding how happy you would be studying there is far more important.
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