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Considering it's two marks you could just show what the two values give when used in the formula as you know what y value a should produce.
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Sub in y = 2, and x = 1.5 and 1.6. Should be a change of sign, so…

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Considering it's two marks you could just show what the two values give when used in the formula as you know what y value a should produce.
Thanks ill try that

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Sub in y = 2, and x = 1.5 and 1.6. Should be a change of sign, so…

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Why would there be a change of sign since there isnt a root?
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Why would there be a change of sign since there isnt a root?
There isn’t a root as such, if there are solutions to f(x) = b, over a small interval, subbing in two values of x either side of the root would produce a change of sign of f(x) - b = 0, as long as the function is continuous.

Think back to what you have learnt in iteration

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Why would there be a change of sign since there isnt a root?
But the question says ‘show there is a root’ so there is an assumed root.
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There isn’t a root as such, if there are solutions to f(x) = b, over a small interval, subbing in two values of x either side of the root would produce a change of sign of f(x) - b = 0, as long as the function is continuous.

Think back to what you have learnt in iteration

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Oh yh i wasnt taught this topic

Still slightly confused about why it would produce a change of sign cause there isn’t a root, but ig ill just think about it
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But the question says ‘show there is a root’ so there is an assumed root.
It doesn’t say that?
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My bad, for some reason I read that symbol as ‘root’. Maybe the sign change is down to a change in gradient. Best thing you can do at this stage is just learn and memorize how things are done. That’s what I do.
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Oh yh i wasnt taught this topic

Still slightly confused about why it would produce a change of sign cause there isn’t a root, but ig ill just think about it

It doesn’t say that?
You know the function is increasing in that part of the graph and
1.5^1.5 < 2 < 1.6^1.6
so ....
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You know the function is increasing in that part of the graph and
1.5^1.5 < 2 < 1.6^1.6
so ....
That makes sense but what does it really mean?
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That makes sense but what does it really mean?
Why not use the iteration formula which you haven't copied.
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That makes sense but what does it really mean?
It would probably be better for you to try and sketch whats happening.
* The function is increasing.
* You know (can evaluate) 1.5^1.5 < 2 < 1.6^1.6 or f(1.5) < f(x) < f(1.6)
So what can you conclude about the point where f(x)=2?
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It would probably be better for you to try and sketch whats happening.
* The function is increasing.
* You know (can evaluate) 1.5^1.5 < 2 < 1.6^1.6 or f(1.5) < f(x) < f(1.6)
So what can you conclude about the point where f(x)=2?
Its between 1.5 and 1.6?
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Its between 1.5 and 1.6?
Of course. The first part asked you to find the location of hte minimum (1/e) and to the right of the minimum, the function is increasing. You use that knowledge in this part to show the function must be equal to 2 somewhere between 1.5 and 1.6.
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Of course. The first part asked you to find the location of hte minimum (1/e) and to the right of the minimum, the function is increasing. You use that knowledge in this part to show the function must be equal to 2 somewhere between 1.5 and 1.6.
That makes sense but why is the change of sign relevant in this case?
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That makes sense but why is the change of sign relevant in this case?
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Its similar to a root finding problem. Consider the function
g(x) = f(x)-2
as mentioned above. Then
g(1.5) < 0
g(1.6) > 0
so g() has a root somewhere between 1.5 and 1.6 which is the location where f()=2. Its the same argument.
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Its similar to a root finding problem. Consider the function
g(x) = f(x)-2
as mentioned above. Then
g(1.5) < 0
g(1.6) > 0
so g() has a root somewhere between 1.5 and 1.6 which is the location where f()=2. Its the same argument.
What does () mean
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What does () mean
Its a function. Have you sketched what you think is happening - can you upload?
In general, your responses are very terse and it would help for your replies to contain more content about what you do undersetand ...
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