Banning Smoking in Pubs

i searched and i couldn't find one. i'm sorry

I trust you're not planning a career in research.

Things have moved on a little since that thread notable Wetherspoons decision to ban smoking in its pubs. I have been to Dublin and been to the clubs and pubs there, the smoking ban seems to work extremely well. I have also visited two non smoking pubs in Manchester and they are always really busy. In fact Sinclairs pub in Manchester city centre has reported an increase in sales since the ban.

As far as I am concerned I don't see why 75% of the population should have to suffer becuase of the 25% of smokers.

The sooner a public smoking ban comes in the better as far as I am concerned.

I cannot think of a single arugment to allow smoking in pubs and clubs.

Except 25% of the population like a fag with their pint.

Why does everything have to be so reactionist and extreme with the non smokers standard solution to a night out? If 75% of the population don't want to suffer in a smoking environment then that's fine.....ban smoking in 75% of pubs. Why ban it in every pub?

I would quite happily see smoking only pubs, however you would have to have a special NHS card to gain entry and this card means that you would have to pay for treatment caused by smoking related dieseses. Now that would make real news!

Except 25% of the population like a fag with their pint.

Why does everything have to be so reactionist and extreme with the non smokers standard solution to a night out? If 75% of the population don't want to suffer in a smoking environment then that's fine.....ban smoking in 75% of pubs. Why ban it in every pub?

I think you'll find that smokers pay something like eight times more in taxes than the bill the NHS is faced with for treating the diseases caused by it. So on that basis smokers are actually subsidizing non-smoker's health care. Now that would make a headline!

Well firstly I know you don't view that as a serious suggestion.
Secondly they in essence i believe are - i think if and when the ban come sin it will only relate to pubs serving food, which will mean i think that some foods which now have a small trade in food, will stop selling food so as to allow smoking. I'm sure smoking bars/pubs will become more popular with smokers (though not with them exclusively) just like with gay bars etc.

Have you actually got any concrete evidence of this that is not written in the Daily Star? I.e a medical journal or somthing?

The concrete evidence you seek has been posted on here several times before, at least once by me, and several times more by others (and I believe it came from government stats; not the Star). Forgive me for not researching it for you again but it's easy to find should you wish to do so.

So are you seriusly suggesting that smoking funds the NHS?

Yes, I do actually. I'm deadly serious. There is absolutely no reason why some pubs could not be deemed "smoking bars" and others "tobacco free" and we could even solve which is which by introducing revolving licences amongst those pubs that wish to take part.

And of course it's possible. If you go to almost any smoking State in the US you will find cities that have passed a non-smoking ordinance (El Paso is a good example......want to smoke in El Paso bars?.....tough titties.....go to the next town) Why does everything in the UK have to big a big bloody national law....how about handing power to towns & counties to make decisions at a local level?

The problem is that the UK is about the most unimaginative country in the world when it comes to legislating and divulging power (it's more centrist than Stalin's USSR) It's all or nothing.....all smoking, or all ban.

Pathetic. Here we are talking about banning smoking while our blessed government is doing everything it can to encourage 24hour drinking.....that's really going to help in a country where binge drinking is about the highest in the world and the incidence of stranger v stranger violence is spiralling out of control on our vomit slick pavements.

Can't this government think coherently? Or are they just thick?