Banning Smoking in Pubs

im aware not all would support it. you've said yourself it irritated you. as they are ones doing the damage, they should be banned from doing so around others. its perfectly simple and benefits everyone in the long run.

Only if their eating habits cause a danger to others in their presence.

its within the context of everyones right to go to and work in places without the threat of health damage. its that simple really

But you know that smoke is in the nature of a bar job. A smoke and a drink pretty much go hand in hand. If you don't like the smoke don't work in a bar. I don't like bees because they might sting me so i wouldn't get a job as a bee keeper.

Why should the entire barstaff (in my case) change their habits for me a non smoker. Why isn't there middle ground. If there was a non smoking section (a proper one not the poor excuses that exist now) I could work there and only be exposed to smoke for a minimal amount of time and the smoking bar staff who like the smoke can smoke and serve there. Everyone is happy.

I don't see the problem with proper compulsary smoking areas but a ban is difficult especially given the number of infringements (e.g. high level of tax) already imposed on smokers.

That doesn't work though. If you work on a building site even with a hard hat there is still a high risk, same as being a miner.
Some jobs have more risk than other. Are there any studies that show that bar people (who are non smokers) die from smoking related illnesses more frequently than normal people. If so where is it can I have a link please. Also if this applies to bar staff it would have to be a total public ban because the same would apply to shop people etc.

as i mentioned earlier in some jobs there is just an inherent danger that can not be avoided. this isnt the case of some lazy smokers who cant be arsed to go outside. this is easily avoided. there is the crucial difference

its that "hand in hand" perception that needs to be broken.

why should they change? because they are ones causing the problem!

with health there isnt a middle ground really. you either have the smoke in your lungs or you dont. i'd prefer, and i think a vast majority would prefer, not to have to breath in that crap. so, ban it.

howard et al can cry foul to the cows come home. fact is it's their dirty habit and it shouldnt be tolerated. they can carry on their tripe about it funding the nations health service if it'll make them sleep better at night. they'll be "sleeping" a lot earlier than me i hope.

If banning smoking in pubs will lead to a severe depression in trade then it is a necessary risk.


Why is there no middle ground for you on this?

adversely affected by smoking I've never seen any scientific evidence of that.

But you know that smoke is in the nature of a bar job. A smoke and a drink pretty much go hand in hand. If you don't like the smoke don't work in a bar. I don't like bees because they might sting me so i wouldn't get a job as a bee keeper.

Why should the entire barstaff (in my case) change their habits for me a non smoker. Why isn't there middle ground. If there was a non smoking section (a proper one not the poor excuses that exist now) I could work there and only be exposed to smoke for a minimal amount of time and the smoking bar staff who like the smoke can smoke and serve there. Everyone is happy.

I don't see the problem with proper compulsary smoking areas but a ban is difficult especially given the number of infringements (e.g. high level of tax) already imposed on smokers.

do some reading and then work out the simple maths

It does serve people. Because we could have bars with decent compulsary smoking areas. There is a bar I go to in Bradford that has a non smoking floor with its own bar and I can go out all night without even a sniff of a cigarette. I'm having a good night out and so are the smokers downstairs who are only damaging their own lungs. If you were barstaff and got to work in the nonsmoking part and the barstaff downstairs were perfectly happy what would be the problem.

There have never been any studies so I don't think you can assume it.

there would be no problem i agree.

but are all bars like that in terms of design and structure?

"..a ban is difficult especially given the number of infringemnets (e.g. high level of tax) already imposed on smokers"

The tax that smokers pay is irrelevant to this particular aspect of the ban. Like Ireland, we need to prepare people for the ban giving them time to adjust to the idea that from a given date, smoking will no longer be allowed in certain places.

Officers have to be appointed and trained to deal with reports of infringements. A report line has to be set up so as people can report those infringing the law. Publicans are the 'front' line' in enforcing the ban on their premises and have to have a support network in place to help them with enforcement. There will also have to be fines for publicans that fail to stop their customers from smoking, as well as the smokers themselves.

It's a bit like enforcing the wearing of seat belts. People soon got used to doing it and now it is a natural procedure when one gets into a car. There were protests galore on the grounds of 'choice' when the law was first introduced. Where are the protesters now?

quite correct.

its all this "choice" and i dont want a "nanny state" type stuff. problem is you'll still have a choice (abide by the law or face the penalty), and sorry, but the state is already your nanny. signs, laws, regulations and safety hats everywhere already out there to keep you as safe as can be

It does serve people. Because we could have bars with decent compulsary smoking areas. There is a bar I go to in Bradford that has a non smoking floor with its own bar and I can go out all night without even a sniff of a cigarette. I'm having a good night out and so are the smokers downstairs who are only damaging their own lungs. If you were barstaff and got to work in the nonsmoking part and the barstaff downstairs were perfectly happy what would be the problem.

If you ban smoking in public you are encouraging inconsiderate smokers to smoke all over their children in private.

If you ban smoking in public you are encouraging inconsiderate smokers to smoke all over their children in private.