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    (Original post by wonky)
    when does the MRCpath happen after the 3 yrs or some of the parts in the the 3 years? cheers

    The old system is:
    Training for necessary professional body: 3 years (although most people who already have a MSc or PhD do it in 2 years since the MSc takes a year. The third year is then just spent working as a trainee - there's no fast-track to registration). The initial training contract is just for these 3 years.

    The HPC registration takes another year on top of that. Sometimes people stay on in their training lab, but it isn't uncommon for people to move to a different lab, especially now there are budget cuts. With the HPC registration you're officially a clinical scientist (contracts are then usually for permanent positions).

    After that you can take the MRCPath exam whenever you like, some people go for it a year or two after registering (if they're VERY driven!), others would rather have a break after the 4 years work towards registration. The exam does cost £500 a go though, so not to be taken lightly, and it is a difficult exam (they can ask you pretty much anything about your field). Part 1 is a written exam, part 2 is practical. Once you're a qualified MRCPath you can apply for senior clinical scientist jobs.

    There is then a Part B MRCPath further down the line. With that qualification you can apply for consultant clinical scientist jobs.

    So the first 4 years of training are compulsory, the MRCPath exams are for climbing up the career ladder.


    I'm not sure how the new system will affect career progression. The problem with the rotation in various labs is it doesn't give the time to gain the necessary confidence in one particular field, and so there is a chance it could stretch out the training process. I assume they're ensuring that doesn't happen though.
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    What is this scheme? Looks quite interesting...
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    (Original post by Svenjamin)
    The old system is:
    Training for necessary professional body: 3 years (although most people who already have a MSc or PhD do it in 2 years since the MSc takes a year. The third year is then just spent working as a trainee - there's no fast-track to registration). The initial training contract is just for these 3 years.

    The HPC registration takes another year on top of that. Sometimes people stay on in their training lab, but it isn't uncommon for people to move to a different lab, especially now there are budget cuts. With the HPC registration you're officially a clinical scientist (contracts are then usually for permanent positions).

    After that you can take the MRCPath exam whenever you like, some people go for it a year or two after registering (if they're VERY driven!), others would rather have a break after the 4 years work towards registration. The exam does cost £500 a go though, so not to be taken lightly, and it is a difficult exam (they can ask you pretty much anything about your field). Part 1 is a written exam, part 2 is practical. Once you're a qualified MRCPath you can apply for senior clinical scientist jobs.

    There is then a Part B MRCPath further down the line. With that qualification you can apply for consultant clinical scientist jobs.

    So the first 4 years of training are compulsory, the MRCPath exams are for climbing up the career ladder.


    I'm not sure how the new system will affect career progression. The problem with the rotation in various labs is it doesn't give the time to gain the necessary confidence in one particular field, and so there is a chance it could stretch out the training process. I assume they're ensuring that doesn't happen though.
    I think it won't stretch out the process, as the 3months in each specialty is just to give you an overview and allow you to make an informed decision about which specialty your then going to study for the last 18months of the 3yrs. Also, Ive found info that agrees with pretty much everything you've said, but where you said about part B of the MRCPath I thought you had to complete the FRCPath to gain cosultancy level?
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    (Original post by kay_begum)
    I think it won't stretch out the process, as the 3months in each specialty is just to give you an overview and allow you to make an informed decision about which specialty your then going to study for the last 18months of the 3yrs. Also, Ive found info that agrees with pretty much everything you've said, but where you said about part B of the MRCPath I thought you had to complete the FRCPath to gain cosultancy level?
    Ah k, maybe. There's definitely a super-hard RCPath bit to getting to consultancy level anyway. I'm not quite sure about that high up the chain though, it's kinda irrelevant for this stage of our careers (would much rather get the first 4 years over with before I start thinking about MRCPath!).

    For consultant level I've heard that there's one way for people with PhDs and another (more long-winded) way for those without, so I'm not quite sure how the PhD slots into things. There is a principal CS in my lab doing his RCPath project to get consultancy though, so I'm guessing people without a PhD have to do an equivalent thesis, whereas people with a PhD probably get to avoid that bit.
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    (Original post by Svenjamin)
    Ah k, maybe. There's definitely a super-hard RCPath bit to getting to consultancy level anyway. I'm not quite sure about that high up the chain though, it's kinda irrelevant for this stage of our careers (would much rather get the first 4 years over with before I start thinking about MRCPath!).

    For consultant level I've heard that there's one way for people with PhDs and another (more long-winded) way for those without, so I'm not quite sure how the PhD slots into things. There is a principal CS in my lab doing his RCPath project to get consultancy though, so I'm guessing people without a PhD have to do an equivalent thesis, whereas people with a PhD probably get to avoid that bit.
    Do you think they'll expect us to demonstrate that we have detailed knowledge of the career pathway, or will an overview be enough? Because I know the details of the training programme but what with the whole 'Modernising Scientific Careers' business everything is a bit hazy.
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    (Original post by kay_begum)
    Do you think they'll expect us to demonstrate that we have detailed knowledge of the career pathway, or will an overview be enough? Because I know the details of the training programme but what with the whole 'Modernising Scientific Careers' business everything is a bit hazy.
    NO ONE knows the MSC framework, it's purposefully hazy and full of political jargon, so don't worry about that. Just knowing the general gist of the training schedule (rotation, MSc etc.),the basic hierarchy and career progression is absolutely fine. It's more of a passing question to check applicants have researched the job to weed out people who have turned up totally unprepared.
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    (Original post by Svenjamin)
    NO ONE knows the MSC framework, it's purposefully hazy and full of political jargon, so don't worry about that. Just knowing the general gist of the training schedule (rotation, MSc etc.),the basic hierarchy and career progression is absolutely fine. It's more of a passing question to check applicants have researched the job to weed out people who have turned up totally unprepared.
    Btw what have you applied for? When's your interview? Mine is tomorrow and am having last minute panick attacks! Havn'e had much time to prepare so the only thing I could talk about in detail is my lab project thats it! Keep imagining sitting in front of them at each station, in complete silence for 10minutes!
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    (Original post by kay_begum)
    Btw what have you applied for? When's your interview? Mine is tomorrow and am having last minute panick attacks! Havn'e had much time to prepare so the only thing I could talk about in detail is my lab project thats it! Keep imagining sitting in front of them at each station, in complete silence for 10minutes!
    I'm a trainee from the last intake. I've just hung around to answer questions and elucidate things that aren't really clear on the websites. God knows I was confused about the job when I applied.

    What field are you applying for?
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    (Original post by Svenjamin)
    I'm a trainee from the last intake. I've just hung around to answer questions and elucidate things that aren't really clear on the websites. God knows I was confused about the job when I applied.

    What field are you applying for?
    Clinical Biochemistry. Your not one of the guys we met at UCL are you?
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    (Original post by kay_begum)
    Clinical Biochemistry. Your not one of the guys we met at UCL are you?
    No, I work in H&I
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    Would it be likely for them to ask general questions on current affairs? Like about the NHS at the moment or developments in the field you've applied for? Or something significant in healthcare services at the moment?
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    None of that is too important (at least it wasn't in my interview - but I didn't have interview stations, just a standard interview). Knowing the politics on a basic level is good (which you do by the sounds of things), but you should concentrate on the science side of things if you can, that's what you'll be judged on. In my interview I had to do a few logic puzzles, copy an Excel spreadsheet and copy some notes (to prove your writing is legible) - so there's a chance* one or two of the stations will be menial tasks like that. Nothing difficult, just common sense really.

    *Disclaimer: I in no way know what the interview system will involve. I can only go off my experience of the old system.

    EDIT: It's always strange when people neg but don't explain why. :confused: If I said something wrong feel free to correct me, I won't take it personally.
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    Thanks! You've been very helpful! I think Im overthinking everything! I'm good with logic so hopefully there'll be something like that! Just worried cos I dont make a very good 1st impression.
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    (Original post by VENIVIDIVICI)
    Read my posts above.
    Thanks, but I actually meant anyone other than yourself who had already posted! It seems rather strange that no-one else on here has been contacted for the Vascular posts...
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    (Original post by smeef1)
    Who the **** are you to comment on people's chances.
    Our trainee manager is of the opinion that applying everywhere just shows you don't really know what you want but are just hedging your bets, the same can be said to applying for lots of specialisms - particularly as this year the NHS wants to recruit people into specific specialisms, and they want you to stay in that specialism for the remainder of your career, so if you don't seem committed to a single specialism are you really the best candidate?
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    I got an invite to an Audiology Interview today. I didn't get a phone call I just recieved an email
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    (Original post by ross31)
    Thanks, but I actually meant anyone other than yourself who had already posted! It seems rather strange that no-one else on here has been contacted for the Vascular posts...
    Ok, I see what you mean. Audiology applicants are being shortlisted (as they fall under physiological sciences as well), but I have also not seen anyone else post re: vascular & cardio. It may be that those people are not using this forum or that noone else has been notified yet. They still have till Thurs (in my estimation) to contact those being interviewed next week. My interview is next Monday afternoon.

    You still have until Thursday to hear back..I hope you get some good news!

    Which locations have you applied for?
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    (Original post by VENIVIDIVICI)
    Ok, I see what you mean. Audiology applicants are being shortlisted (as they fall under physiological sciences as well), but I have also not seen anyone else post re: vascular & cardio. It may be that those people are not using this forum or that noone else has been notified yet. They still have till Thurs (in my estimation) to contact those being interviewed next week. My interview is next Monday afternoon.

    You still have until Thursday to hear back..I hope you get some good news!

    Which locations have you applied for?
    OK, maybe I won't give up just yet. I have applied for a couple of posts in London.

    Good Luck for Monday
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    (Original post by George Agdgdgwngo)
    Anyone staying in the Ibis Bordesley tonight?
    Hello!

    I was wondering about staying in this hotel the night before my interview, and hoped you might be able to tell me about your stay? In particular, is the journey from the hotel to the football ground walkable?

    Actually, any info you can give me would be awesome! I like to be prepared
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    (Original post by Panthea)
    Hello!

    I was wondering about staying in this hotel the night before my interview, and hoped you might be able to tell me about your stay? In particular, is the journey from the hotel to the football ground walkable?

    Actually, any info you can give me would be awesome! I like to be prepared
    I was 5 mins in the car and it was busy so you could def walk it in a few minutes. Make sure you print of a google map and mark on it where youre going though coz the staff at the hotel don't have a clue (as nice as they are).

    The hotel is basic, rooms are clean. You will think the bathroom door is the wardrobe door also haha, but yeah its ok. It's a chain hotel so they are all pretty much the same. There are ironing facilities on the 2nd floor if you need it.

    The food was okay I suppose, I got a mixed grill, don't know if it was worth £13 but meh. There's a McD's next door anyway :p:.

    So yeah, anything else you want to know just PM me or ask in here, John. x
 
 
 
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