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hi, I'm in year 12 now and considering medicine for uni, I've started my application process (personal statement, shortlisted my unis of interest, etc). But now I'm struggling to find a fifth choice that I could do in uni that I would like. I've tried researching for courses that have a very thin line difference between it and medicine . I've looked at biochem, Biomed, bioscience (i think every bio -haha not really but you get what I mean), and pharmacy. I thought of psychology too but my A-levels are maths, biology, and chem...it would have been good if I had taken psychology for sixth form -probably.
Many people say Biomed or most bio courses are completely different from medicine and I want to do something as close to medicine as possible then maybe in the later years if possible transfer. ( just in case I don't get straight in med school)
I don't mind a gate year as well but just for the application process I have to find a fifth choice (or else my teachers will be on my neck haha).Any advice?
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(Original post by marvelousEsther_)
hi, I'm in year 12 now and considering medicine for uni, I've started my application process (personal statement, shortlisted my unis of interest, etc). But now I'm struggling to find a fifth choice that I could do in uni that I would like. I've tried researching for courses that have a very thin line difference between it and medicine . I've looked at biochem, Biomed, bioscience (i think every bio -haha not really but you get what I mean), and pharmacy. I thought of psychology too but my A-levels are maths, biology, and chem...it would have been good if I had taken psychology for sixth form -probably.
Many people say Biomed or most bio courses are completely different from medicine and I want to do something as close to medicine as possible then maybe in the later years if possible transfer. ( just in case I don't get straight in med school)
I don't mind a gate year as well but just for the application process I have to find a fifth choice (or else my teachers will be on my neck haha).Any advice?
Never ever do a degree with the sole aim for graduate entry medicine because it'll take longer, cost more and (most importantly) will be much much more competitive.

Without an offer you may also be eligible for UCAS Extra / Clearing and sometimes med schools go into them.

If still unsuccessful, and you still want to do Medicine, then take a gap year (frowned upon by schools, but definitely your best choice if you still want to be a doctor!).

Tell you teacher the above, and justify why you don't want to pick a 5th choice.
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I have to choose a backup course, in case I don't get into medicine and then maybe transfer on the second year as I was told that there's this possibility. I was just wondering if anyone have any suggestions on which one I should choose, Pharmacy or Biomedicine?
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I have to choose a backup course, in case I don't get into medicine and then maybe transfer on the second year as I was told that there's this possibility. I was just wondering if anyone have any suggestions on which one I should choose, Pharmacy or Biomedicine?
I wouldn't recommend relying on a transfer to medicine in 2nd year, this is a rare occurrence (and super competitive) and not an option at many universities. Also, some of the transfer programmes actually require you to complete your first degree and may guarantee an interview but not a position. You may also still have to complete the UCAT and other aspects of the application even if you are looking to transfer at a university that does offer that route. If you go and study something else, you are probably going to have to study the full 3/4 years, another thing to consider is can you afford to do 2 degrees and if you plan to then do graduate medicine, entry is super competitive. Would you consider taking a gap year if you don't get in first time round?

If you do decide to go study something else if you don't get into medicine (fingers crossed that you do), doing something relevant but also that you think you will actually enjoy is quite important. If you are thinking of pharmacy or biomedicine, are you particularly interested in either, do you think you would be able to spend 4 years at university studying it. Some people wouldn't recommend having a fifth option as it is possible that some med schools go into clearing.

ecolier any input on this?
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Not a hope of graduate entry Medicine (GEM) - its insanely competitive and you wont get full funding for what is a second undergrad degree.
Not recommended as a career strategy. If you really want to do Medicine, keep applying for the standard 5 year degree until you either have a place or get fed up with trying.

Pharmacy has career possibilities beyond just the obvious - https://www.prospects.ac.uk/careers-...egree/pharmacy but its also worth looking at Pharmacology / Drug Discovery, or Neuroscience, Genetics, Virology, Immunology, Cancer Biology etc.
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So I'm currently looking at unis and decided to look for other courses other than medicine as i think the 5th choice (which can't be medicine) needs to be something I enjoy and want to do. I've looked at doing an MChem in Medicinal and Pharmaceutical chemistry at Loughborough and an MChem in Chemistry for drug discovery at Bath.
Even though my predicted grades are A*A*A* with an A* in my EPQ these unis are highly selective and most likely use the personal statement to select students. But as my personal statement is around medicine would it put me at a disadvantage, so is there even any point in applying to these unis?
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(Original post by Diac)
I have to choose a backup course, in case I don't get into medicine ...
(Original post by Cyion)
So I'm currently looking at unis and decided to look for other courses other than medicine as i think the 5th choice (which can't be medicine)...
Read my post above - 2nd post of this thread.

Do not pick a fifth choice if you still want to do Medicine.

Take a gap year if you are unsuccessful.

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...ecolier any input on this?
:ta: for tagging me.
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Well i don't really have a choice as my parents won't let me take a gap year
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Well i don't really have a choice as my parents won't let me take a gap year
They do know that it will only make it much, much harder for you to do Medicine if that's the case right?

If you have to pick a course, I would pick Physician Associate (undergrad) at UCLan or Reading as a backup.
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MChem in Chemistry for drug discovery at Bath.
But as my personal statement is around medicine would it put me at a disadvantage, so is there even any point in applying
As Bath is a specialist STEM Uni, its courses are a common 5th choice for Medicine/Dentistry/Vet applicants.
They will just email you once they recieve your application and ask for a 2nd PS to be uploaded to their portal - and btw, Bath don't mind this and you have the same chance of an offer as anyone else.
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As Bath is a specialist STEM Uni, its courses are a common 5th choice for Medicine/Dentistry/Vet applicants.
They will just email you once they recieve your application and ask for a 2nd PS to be uploaded to their portal - and btw, Bath don't mind this and you have the same chance of an offer as anyone else.
Thank you very much I'm doing lots of work experience for medicine so is there any point in doing work experience specifically for the other PS
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Thank you very much I'm doing lots of work experience for medicine so is there any point in doing work experience specifically for the other PS
No, not really - they are not as obviously 'vocational' subjects as Medicine, so dont need specific experience.
Just make sure you have done your research into what the other degree involves and have some examples of relevant extra reading / specific topics
to include.
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Heyy 😄

I am planning on applying for medicine course- 2023 university intake. For my UCAS application, I am thinking of applying for courses such as biotechnology or biomedical engineering as my fifth backup option. Which one seems more realistic, with higher chance of getting an offer based on my personal statement written that is tailored more towards medicine. Which one would you guys advice applying for ? My main interest is medicine and apart from it, I am also passionate in learning about biomedical engineering and biotechnology.
Is there any other courses that you would highly recommended to consider as a fifth choice ? And which universities should I apply to as my fifth choice ?
I am puzzled about my fifth choice and would truly appreciate the help. Thanks!
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Biomed and Biochem are the most common 5th choice and consequently they are mega-competitive. I'd always advise Med applicants to look at subjects like Natural Sciences, Pharmacology/Drug Discovery, Pharmacy, Neuroscience, immunology, Cancer Biology - and BioTech and BioEng- instead.

Uni understand about 5th choices - and they will either ignore the PS and just look at grades, or they ask you for a 2nd PS to be sent direcbtly to them once you have applied.

For Biotechnology, look at Manchester, Nottingham, York and Bristol.
For Bioengineering, look at Sheffiled, Southampton, Cardiff, Keele, Loughborough.
Always pick a 'with placement' course if you can - it will make a bog difference to your graduate job chances.
But - 'which Uni' and 'which' couse is a very personal thing, there is no 'better' Uni - just the one that is right for you.
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Heyy 😄

I am planning on applying for medicine course- 2023 university intake. For my UCAS application, I am thinking of applying for courses such as biotechnology or biomedical engineering as my fifth backup option. Which one seems more realistic, with higher chance of getting an offer based on my personal statement written that is tailored more towards medicine. Which one would you guys advice applying for ? My main interest is medicine and apart from it, I am also passionate in learning about biomedical engineering and biotechnology.
Is there any other courses that you would highly recommended to consider as a fifth choice ? And which universities should I apply to as my fifth choice ?
I am puzzled about my fifth choice and would truly appreciate the help. Thanks!
Don't pick a 5th choice.

Read the above (2nd post): https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...97&postcount=2
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Its up to you if you have a 5th choice - or not - but you do need to be realistic about your chances of getting an offer for Med.
Thousands, yes thousands, of Med apps had 4 straight rejections this year, and next year isnt likely to be any different - https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...medical-school
Having a 5th choice gives you another option if this happens and you decide to give up on Med - or if your 2nd A level year doesnt go as well as you hoped and those A/A* grades seem less obtainable.
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...Thousands, yes thousands, of Med apps had 4 straight rejections this year, and next year isnt likely to be any different...
Interested to know why you think next year won't be any different?

(Original post by McGinger)
...Having a 5th choice gives you another option if this happens and you decide to give up on Med - or if your 2nd A level year doesnt go as well as you hoped and those A/A* grades seem less obtainable.
P.S. The usual caveat applies - in this forum we tell people the easiest way to do medicine and not go into their backup!

There are plenty of med schools that will accept retakes: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6649138
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Interested to know why you think next year won't be any different?
We still have potential applicants with inflated grades from the last two years, and this year's A level grades will also not be 'normal' results because of advanced info' so also likely to be high again. 'Grade creep' was an issue before the pandemic and its just been exacerbated by these factors.
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We still have potential applicants with inflated grades from the last two years, and this year's A level grades will also not be 'normal' results because of advanced info' so also likely to be high again. 'Grade creep' was an issue before the pandemic and its just been exacerbated by these factors.
But for 2023 exams? Will there be advanced info again?
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But for 2023 exams? Will there be advanced info again?
Not that I'm aware of.
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