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We should run our economy like those of Scandanavia; not the USA watch

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    What do you think of this statement? People in Scandanavia enjoy lives under economies which provide for the poor with welfare payments and healthcare schemes while also enjoying among the highest standards of living in the world. The USA on the other hand does enjoy high standards of living but the very poorest cannot afford healthcare for example becasue it is all privatised.

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    I'd be inclined to agree. But then again, many people think that tax is theft.
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    I don't know enough about the structure of Scandinavian economies to really say anything meaningful on this matter,

    But I'm sure if we increased the amount we provided for the poor then they (and others) would take advantage of the situation, claim more than they are actually entitled to (because they know how to work the system) - and it would not encourage people to actually go out to work.

    If anything, we need a definitive cap on how long JSA can be claimed for.

    On healthcare, I definitely agree with universal healthcare to an extent. Everyone should be able to see a doctor if they need to - but if I've worked hard and can afford to see a better doctor in a nicer place, then that is also something I should be entitled to. I don't want to have to sit in a waiting room full of scum :no:
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    Scandanavians > Americans
    and I'm not biased at ALL.... :P

    (I'm half Swedish)
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    (Original post by rockrunride)
    But then again, many people think that tax is theft.
    It is.
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    I guarantee that someone will be along soon, pointing out the fact that Iceland, a scandinavian country, has nearly collapsed.


    But yes, I agree. Scandanivians just seem to do everything right.
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    (Original post by Lampshade)
    On healthcare, I definitely agree with universal healthcare to an extent. Everyone should be able to see a doctor if they need to - but if I've worked hard and can afford to see a better doctor in a nicer place, then that is also something I should be entitled to. I don't want to have to sit in a waiting room full of scum :no:
    Do you reckon though, Lamps, that the universal healthcare we currently have would be better if it was better funded; i.e. if money was diverted from JSA or if basic tax was increased?
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    (Original post by Lampshade)
    I don't want to have to sit in a waiting room full of scum :no:
    Is this a comment on the cleanliness of NHS waiting rooms, or an idiotic attack on people who use the NHS?
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    They seem to be doing the right thing.
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    (Original post by HappinessHappening)
    What do you think of this statement? People in Scandanavia enjoy lives under economies which provide for the poor with welfare payments and healthcare schemes while also enjoying among the highest standards of living in the world. The USA on the other hand does enjoy high standards of living but the very poorest cannot afford healthcare for example becasue it is all privatised.

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    If Iceland is anything to go by then I have to say I prefer our system....

    The Scandinavians are tax'd extremely highly to be able to offer the government support they do and as a result they have to rely on the government when they are out of work and retired - they simply aren't able to save as much money as someone being the paid the equivalent salary here..

    This model only really works becuase the countries are very rich and very small, imo it would never be effective in somewhere the size of, and diverse as the UK. They are also relatively young economies, they may be working now but this doesnt mean they will be doing so well in 20/30 yrs time.....
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    (Original post by fisherman)
    Is this a comment on the cleanliness of NHS waiting rooms, or an idiotic attack on people who use the NHS?
    Not an attack on all the users of the NHS, of course not - I use the NHS - but I'm fortunate enough to live in a very nice area with very nice people. - and thus a very nice surgery.

    But if I didn't have that option, and the only surgery available to me was on the edge of some council estate - and I had to sit in a waiting room full of tracksuit wearing chavs trying to squeeze a sick note out of the doctor to avoid work - or claim extra benefit.. then I would not be best pleased (and I have used a surgery like this). I would always want to know that I could pay to go elsewhere.
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    (Original post by rockrunride)
    Do you reckon though, Lamps, that the universal healthcare we currently have would be better if it was better funded; i.e. if money was diverted from JSA or if basic tax was increased?
    Not necessarily better funding, but re-allocation of current funds for sure. I sure as hell don't want the NHS to syphon out even more money from my pay.
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    Worries make people depressed, to make a statement. A well-functioning tax system - taxes are returned as high quality services - removes the need for the average citizen, if such one exists, to respond to constant fluctuations in a market economy.
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    The only reason Scandinavian countries have such good welfare is because their taxes are sky high.
    Raise taxes to a similar level here and you'd push more people even further into debt.

    Also, raising taxes is the express way to getting kicked out of government - just look at the 10p tax fiasco and how much abuse was thrown at the government for it.
    No political party would ever change the system so radically - it would be political suicide.
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    Yes so we can be such economic powers like the Scandinavian socialists(who have the highest suicide rate outside of the third world, no?)
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    so you're comparing scandinavia to a superpower? okay.
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    downsides: it needs too much bureaucracy.
    social welfare is given too much to sometimes the wrong people.

    but we're(sweden..) almost communistic.... and you need this kind of mentality beforehand:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law
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    (Original post by PeeWeeDan)
    Yes so we can be such economic powers like the Scandinavian socialists(who have the highest suicide rate outside of the third world, no?)
    Not actually true, Korea and Japan are much higher. However life in the nordic countries is extremely individualistic. Everything runs technically well but my god it appears dull.
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    We should run the economy like Hong Kong not like the USA.
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    (Original post by HappinessHappening)
    What do you think of this statement? People in Scandanavia enjoy lives under economies which provide for the poor with welfare payments and healthcare schemes while also enjoying among the highest standards of living in the world. The USA on the other hand does enjoy high standards of living but the very poorest cannot afford healthcare for example becasue it is all privatised.

    What do people think?
    Firstly, you're very very wrong about America's healthcare system. Their government actually accounts for just over 50% of all healthcare system. Do some research on medicaid and medicare. Almost all Americans have the same cover as us, and it is illegal for a hospital over there to turn away anyone needing life saving treatment.
 
 
 
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