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Been to a couple of open days recently and the admission tutors were really trying to sell GEM. You'll be older and wiser, life experience etc. They didn't mention extra competition for places or the financial burden. I wondered why they were doing this.. to sweeten the pill if you didn't get in first time round or is there going to be an increase in places for graduates eventually? Just my thoughts.
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I'd note that "selling the course" is what they do at open days so that in itself doesn't really mean anything. Whether it's something that will be expanded in future is an interesting question. ecolier, thoughts?

I think I did read while often the maturity GEM students have is a benefit in the course and in foundation, I saw an article that said GEM students are more likely to change specialty and have more issues in progressing through their yearly reviews without issue, although it also conceded with more maturity they may just be more confident in making a change of specialty.
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(Original post by JonasOldacre)
Been to a couple of open days recently and the admission tutors were really trying to sell GEM. You'll be older and wiser, life experience etc. They didn't mention extra competition for places or the financial burden. I wondered why they were doing this.. to sweeten the pill if you didn't get in first time round or is there going to be an increase in places for graduates eventually? Just my thoughts.
Did those unis only a GEM programme?

At the end of the day the course representatives job is to sell the courses that they have. They'll emphasise the positives and only discuss the negatives if those issues are raised.

It's partly what I do for a living
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(Original post by JonasOldacre)
Been to a couple of open days recently and the admission tutors were really trying to sell GEM. You'll be older and wiser, life experience etc. They didn't mention extra competition for places or the financial burden. I wondered why they were doing this.. to sweeten the pill if you didn't get in first time round or is there going to be an increase in places for graduates eventually? Just my thoughts.
Where's this?

It's quite clear to me they are either trying to sweeten the pill (at the very least) and possibly to get the students to do (preferably at that uni) an undergrad course and then GEM so they get to earn your money twice.

It's also pretty sneaky for them to just talk about the good points and not the bad. If graduate entry is so good, why not campaign the government so that medicine is graduate-entry only like the States?
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I'd note that "selling the course" is what they do at open days so that in itself doesn't really mean anything. Whether it's something that will be expanded in future is an interesting question. ecolier, thoughts?

I think I did read while often the maturity GEM students have is a benefit in the course and in foundation, I saw an article that said GEM students are more likely to change specialty and have more issues in progressing through their yearly reviews without issue, although it also conceded with more maturity they may just be more confident in making a change of specialty.
GEM grads tend to specialise in GP - so the government would love that... on the other hand, they would provide less years' of service to the NHS - not what the government wants!
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Did those unis only a GEM programme?

At the end of the day the course representatives job is to sell the courses that they have. They'll emphasise the positives and only discuss the negatives if those issues are raised.

It's partly what I do for a living
Well said
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Where's this?

It's quite clear to me they are either trying to sweeten the pill (at the very least) and possibly to get the students to do (preferably at that uni) an undergrad course and then GEM so they get to earn your money twice.

It's also pretty sneaky for them to just talk about the good points and not the bad. If graduate entry is so good, why not campaign the government so that medicine is graduate-entry only like the States?
This was a long time ago, but I was also told GEM was a good option at Oxford open day. The professor made it sound like you could just “switch” after 4 years of Biochemistry. I’m really not sure what they gain from saying things like that!
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This was a long time ago, but I was also told GEM was a good option at Oxford open day. The professor made it sound like you could just “switch” after 4 years of Biochemistry. I’m really not sure what they gain from saying things like that!
Either they wanted you to do a biochemistry course... or maybe they just don't know what they're talking about!
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Either they wanted you to do a biochemistry course... or maybe they just don't know what they're talking about!
But it’s not like Oxford would struggle to recruit Biochemistry applicants! He probably just wasn’t involved with medicine applications!
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But it’s not like Oxford would struggle to recruit Biochemistry applicants! He probably just wasn’t involved with medicine applications!
Ah you say that... but it'd still look good if your-very-desirable course has X + 1 applicants rather than X applicants.
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