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    (Original post by kerily)
    I'm famous

    It didn't! Well. I think they had a trans rep, but not one who was openly trans. I think. Obviously I wasn't here, so I wouldn't know

    There's been a massive fuss about it in some circles, and I'm really hoping the whole thing gets taken seriously. I'm yet to meet anyone who thinks it was completely appropriate (except the original author), though, so it's all good.
    Wow WTF?! The original author doesn't want the Transexual part to be moving forward? Why is that? :confused:
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    (Original post by kerily)
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    It didn't! Well. I think they had a trans rep, but not one who was openly trans. I think. Obviously I wasn't here, so I wouldn't know

    There's been a massive fuss about it in some circles, and I'm really hoping the whole thing gets taken seriously. I'm yet to meet anyone who thinks it was completely appropriate (except the original author), though, so it's all good.
    I saw this and I think it is absolutely crazy and completely inappropriate. Worse still that the quoted committee member didn't even know she was being quoted! If there's somebody I can e-mail to complain as means of support then send me a PM and let me know. That's really shoddy low journalism and I wouldn't expect it from the editor of our only official newspaper.
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    (Original post by Ultimate1)
    Wow WTF?! The original author doesn't want the Transexual part to be moving forward? Why is that? :confused:
    What do you mean, sorry?

    (Original post by Noodlzzz)
    Wow, is he still defending his words? :O
    Yes he is Despite completely misquoting Bethany Rutter (I feel so awful using her full name online, but it's in the article...) and then later stating that it's ok to take a swipe at the LGBT Society, because British society 'doesn't want to marginalise gays'...

    (Original post by sundogs)
    I saw this and I think it is absolutely crazy and completely inappropriate. Worse still that the quoted committee member didn't even know she was being quoted! If there's somebody I can e-mail to complain as means of support then send me a PM and let me know. That's really shoddy low journalism and I wouldn't expect it from the editor of our only official newspaper.
    Putting this as public because I'd imagine you're not the only one who wants to complain: [email protected] is the general editor. The more the merrier :yep: It'll be especially nice if some complaint doesn't just come from active LGBT society members - because obviously we were gonna be pissed. The point is that this crosses a line regardless of your sexuality.

    It's this being a personal attack on me personally that gets me. And I didn't know it was being published until I saw it this morning.
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    (Original post by kerily)
    What do you mean, sorry?

    Lol no problems. I meant that is he against the Transexual 'movement' lets say that's happening? The original author of the newspaper, that is?

    I thought they were just taking a dig at you, but had nothing personal to do with the transexual society getting a reform
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    Lol no problems. I meant that is he against the Transexual 'movement' lets say that's happening? The original author of the newspaper, that is?

    I thought they were just taking a dig at you, but had nothing personal to do with the transexual society getting a reform
    I'd imagine so I mean, he's not come out and said that precisely (he can't, we're covered under bullying, harassment and discrimination legislation, so it's taken as seriously as racism/homophobia/etc by UCL) but I'd imagine he'd love to. Plus the comments and the wording of the article itself is pretty rude.

    They don't seen to be against the LGBT society itself (it would be quite hard to be against - we have about 600 members ) but targeting members of the LGBT society just because they're in the society...?
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    (Original post by kerily)
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    Putting this as public because I'd imagine you're not the only one who wants to complain: [email protected] is the general editor. The more the merrier :yep: It'll be especially nice if some complaint doesn't just come from active LGBT society members - because obviously we were gonna be pissed. The point is that this crosses a line regardless of your sexuality.

    It's this being a personal attack on me personally that gets me. And I didn't know it was being published until I saw it this morning.
    I'm e-mailing him now. He's on my course (though year above me). I'm not from LGBT nor do I know nearly as much about trans issues as I should but I agree, this is very personal and very unnecessary. It's a pathetic excuse for journalism and I'm so glad you've made it public. I think he should step down.
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    (Original post by kerily)
    I'd imagine so I mean, he's not come out and said that precisely (he can't, we're covered under bullying, harassment and discrimination legislation, so it's taken as seriously as racism/homophobia/etc by UCL) but I'd imagine he'd love to. Plus the comments and the wording of the article itself is pretty rude.

    They don't seen to be against the LGBT society itself (it would be quite hard to be against - we have about 600 members ) but targeting members of the LGBT society just because they're in the society...?
    Lol nice to hear he can't realy say anything and it really did mak him sound classless with him taking cheap digs at you

    You ready for the two hours of boredom tomorrow? Lol.
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    (Original post by kerily)
    What do you mean, sorry?



    Yes he is Despite completely misquoting Bethany Rutter (I feel so awful using her full name online, but it's in the article...) and then later stating that it's ok to take a swipe at the LGBT Society, because British society 'doesn't want to marginalise gays'...



    Putting this as public because I'd imagine you're not the only one who wants to complain: [email protected] is the general editor. The more the merrier :yep: It'll be especially nice if some complaint doesn't just come from active LGBT society members - because obviously we were gonna be pissed. The point is that this crosses a line regardless of your sexuality.

    It's this being a personal attack on me personally that gets me. And I didn't know it was being published until I saw it this morning.
    Email sent (also added I'm not a member of LGBT soc if it makes any difference). This is just so wrong.
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    (Original post by sundogs)
    I'm e-mailing him now. He's on my course (though year above me). I'm not from LGBT nor do I know nearly as much about trans issues as I should but I agree, this is very personal and very unnecessary. It's a pathetic excuse for journalism and I'm so glad you've made it public. I think he should step down.
    :moon:

    You are a star. If there's one massive positive to come out of this whole issue, it's that there are some seriously lovely and supportive people out there.

    (I'll hasten to add that the initials of the guy responsible for that particular article are SJ - he's one of the editors, but the other one, HG, has actively tried to distance himself from it. Don't have a go at the wrong person )

    (Original post by Ultimate1)
    Lol nice to hear he can't realy say anything and it really did mak him sound classless with him taking cheap digs at you

    You ready for the two hours of boredom tomorrow? Lol.
    You still attend Friday morning's methods? :mmm:

    I may go to the first hour, but no way in hell am I attending the problem class.
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    (Original post by Noodlzzz)
    Email sent (also added I'm not a member of LGBT soc if it makes any difference). This is just so wrong.
    Thankyou ever so much I realise I keep saying this, but it means an awful lot.

    Obviously I don't think it's going to matter very much if people complaining are members of the LGBT society or not, but if we were the only ones who minded and nobody else gave a toss, it wouldn't be as convincing as if people from a wide range of backgrounds cared
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    (Original post by kerily)

    You still attend Friday morning's methods? :mmm:

    I may go to the first hour, but no way in hell am I attending the problem class.
    Well or else my mummy will say that I'm being a bad boy if I miss lectures

    who's up for a UCL TSR meet up? or has it already been done?
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    (Original post by kerily)
    I'd imagine so I mean, he's not come out and said that precisely (he can't, we're covered under bullying, harassment and discrimination legislation, so it's taken as seriously as racism/homophobia/etc by UCL) but I'd imagine he'd love to. Plus the comments and the wording of the article itself is pretty rude.

    They don't seen to be against the LGBT society itself (it would be quite hard to be against - we have about 600 members ) but targeting members of the LGBT society just because they're in the society...?
    Dear SJ,

    I am writing to complain about the short article published in the Pi Diary section of the most recent edition of Pi Newspaper. The article discussed the recent election of 'kerily' as trans representative for the LGBT forum. I have never been involved in LGBT issues at UCL nor am I in any way affiliated with the subject of the article, however I must tell you that the wording of the article was a rude, inappropriate and wholly terrible example of student journalism.
    Was the reference to 'man - woman as the case may be' supposed to be an attempt of humour? If so then it was in very bad taste and served little more than to trivialise transexual representation on campus.
    Reading this article, I found it distasteful but was at least confident that you had taken the necessary steps to confirm that kerily was happy with his representation in a newspaper which is distributed all over campus. I was disgusted when it appeared that not only had you not sought necessary confirmation and permission to publish this but that the 'quoted' Bethany Rutter (is it really necessary to tell us that she's a woman? UCL students do have half a brain) was not informed of her appearance in the article and had been cited out of context.
    If the intention behind this publication was not malicious then I urge you to make a personal apology to the subject of the article and a public one in the next issue of Pi. One can only hope and assume that such instances of desperate and shoddy journalism will not be repeated.

    Regards,

    Sundogs


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    (Original post by sundogs)
    Dear SJ,

    I am writing to complain about the short article published in the Pi Diary section of the most recent edition of Pi Newspaper. The article discussed the recent election of 'kerily' as trans representative for the LGBT forum. I have never been involved in LGBT issues at UCL nor am I in any way affiliated with the subject of the article, however I must tell you that the wording of the article was a rude, inappropriate and wholly terrible example of student journalism.
    Was the reference to 'man - woman as the case may be' supposed to be an attempt of humour? If so then it was in very bad taste and served little more than to trivialise transexual representation on campus.
    Reading this article, I found it distasteful but was at least confident that you had taken the necessary steps to confirm that kerily was happy with his representation in a newspaper which is distributed all over campus. I was disgusted when it appeared that not only had you not sought necessary confirmation and permission to publish this but that the 'quoted' Bethany Rutter (is it really necessary to tell us that she's a woman? UCL students do have half a brain) was not informed of her appearance in the article and had been cited out of context.
    If the intention behind this publication was not malicious then I urge you to make a personal apology to the subject of the article and a public one in the next issue of Pi. One can only hope and assume that such instances of desperate and shoddy journalism will not be repeated.

    Regards,

    Sundogs


    *names obviously changed for internet purposes
    Repped. You are an absolute star :moon: I just... this will be approximately the ten billionth time I've gushed in such a way, but I'm completely taken aback (in a good way) by the reaction to this. There are so many people going out on a limb when they completely don't have to, just because they think it's the right thing to do, and it's amazing.

    (Do you know my real name, on grounds that I doubt 'kerily' would identify me properly? I can PM you it if you like. Unless you already know it )
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    (Original post by kerily)
    Repped. You are an absolute star :moon: I just... this will be approximately the ten billionth time I've gushed in such a way, but I'm completely taken aback (in a good way) by the reaction to this. There are so many people going out on a limb when they completely don't have to, just because they think it's the right thing to do, and it's amazing.

    (Do you know my real name, on grounds that I doubt 'kerily' would identify me properly? I can PM you it if you like. Unless you already know it )
    Don't worry at all I don't normally speak out about but this absolutely took the biscuit!
    I do know your name your facebook thingy came up on my newsfeed! might send you an add.
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    (Original post by sundogs)
    Don't worry at all I don't normally speak out about but this absolutely took the biscuit!
    I do know your name your facebook thingy came up on my newsfeed! might send you an add.
    Facebook works in mysterious ways :eek: But feel free!

    If it was just a transphobia issue then that'd be as maybe - I'd still be pissed, but I wouldn't expect everyone else to be pissed. An unresearched and personally offensive article, on the other hand...
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    (Original post by PJ991)
    I'm not sure where to pick. I was going to ask you, actually. I've saw your posts about the exams there and stuff, but would you pick Milan again? As a city it's somewhere I'd like to go, just I've not looked into the universities themselves.
    Please don't take my posts seriously. Every issue that I have with the Year Abroad is to do with me, not the placement itself as such. I had a lot of issues before I took up the placement, and the standard year abroad stress has just magnified them.

    To be honest, 'the universities themselves' are basically irrelevant. Universities are the same basically everywhere in Italy, it's not like England where standards and specialities vary massively. Anyone can do a filosofia/lettere degree at an Italian uni if they pass the maturita, so a course at Milan is no different academics wise to a course at Bologna.

    Base your choice on the city. Visit as many as possible, during term time, to get a feel for them. I phasise the 'in term time' thing, as it really makes a difference. I visited Bologna in summer and hated it because it was vacanze and completely dull, empty and boring. I went to visit my friend there the other week and it was totally different and I loved it.

    Any questions you have about Milan and the uni, I'm happy to answer. I'm a bit tipsy right now, but when I have time I'm happy to write up some specific things I've noticed about Milan/advice for moving here that I would have liked to know before I came here. Just reply here or drop me a PM If you contact me via PM I can put you in contact with people in Bologna, Rome and Naples through facebook, if you don't fancy emailing total strangers off the list Novella will give you. I will know people in Florence and Siena from Feb/March, but I think you'll have chosen a place by then?

    (Original post by Paddy)
    You know what I can't think of any primary school I went to teaching languages (I changed schools a lot due to moving a lot) - the one private school I went to at that age did but none of the others, I was miles ahead of everyone in French when I started at a state secondary school because no-one else had done it
    It's pretty much compulsory to teach languages at primary level these days. Or at least it was three or so years ago when I did work experience in a primary school. The schools had to have at least one languages specialist on staff. Maybe things have changed/ it was only a trial in my area, but I'm not worried that having an Italian specialism would be a disadvantage as such. More that I could specialise in something else (ie French) that would be more of an advantage. But maybe things have changed again, because at that point languages were still compuslory in secondary schools, which isn't the case now.
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    I'd seriously consider telling the Cheese Grater and having that transphobic little twonk named and shamed. That sort of journalism is absolutely revolting.

    (Original post by Lizia)
    I'm a bit tipsy right now
    Oh you are, are you? :awesome: I haven't been out in over three weeks now :sigh:
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    I'd seriously consider telling the Cheese Grater and having that transphobic little twonk named and shamed. That sort of journalism is absolutely revolting.
    It should end up being all over campus. I mean, there was the initial article in Pi which a lot of people have seen, and then the Women's Network/LGBT Forum are making a big fuss, plus a lot of Pi itself is completely appalled, because they don't want their paper associating with this sort of *******s. Apparently some people want to get him sacked, which I wouldn't be averse to.

    Considering the long-running spat between Pi and Cheesegrater, I'd imagine they'd love to run something on this
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    (Original post by rockrunride)
    Oh you are, are you? :awesome: I haven't been out in over three weeks now :sigh:
    I haven't been able to eat for about three weeks from exam stress. Upside of this is I lost 15lbs in a fortnight and I'm rambling drunk on on two mojitos. Score. :cool:

    Go out now! Be one of the losers who clings onto their erasmus experience for the next twenty years and refuses to take responsibility and grow the hell up. Not that the ESN people here are like that...

    Did you know in Italy, you can resit an exam up to ten times over the course of three years?! If I failed my exams now and was a real Italian who had to pass, I could keep retaking until 2014 :lol:
 
 
 
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