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    im applying for a foundation course this year but dunno which of the colleges in the University of Arts London to apply to (as you can only apply to one)
    st martins or camberwell....camberwell is nearer me and seems good, but st martins is really well known and also seems good....
    HELP! :confused:
    i would be really interested to hear from any current students at either of these as well as anyone who'd like to offer their opinion
    Thanks!
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    Help Meeeee!......
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    Haven't heard much positive said about St Martins tbh, apparently there are a lot of older students there and its sooo big you just get lost, tutors pay you little attention. So basically if you're not good at independent study its probably not the best place to go! Although did meet someone there who loved it so just depends what kind of person you are. Have you considered Chelsea? Its got a really good reputation.
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    As far as I'm aware St Martins is much better known and more renound, but I have a few friends at Camberwell who absolutely love it and had it as a first choice from the beginning!
    I think there are quite alot of 19/20 year olds at Camberwell as well, so its got more of a young vibe going.
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    I'm doing Foundation at Camberwell at the moment and am loving it! It has a really good atmosphere and the tutors are great. It really depends on you though. When I was looking around the separate colleges last year I found St Martins and Chelsea quite pretentious, and I was really disappointed because they have good reputations. As soon as I looked at Camberwell, which is not as well-heard of really, I knew I wanted to go there, and I don't regret it at all. Feel free to ask any questions.
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    thanks for replies, much appreciated! i think camberwell seems like a really cool place and i would be really happy to go there, but i still go back to st martins being a bit different...and i'm aware that it comes across as quite a kinda stuck up place but you can't deny how like respected it is, and all the people who comes from there (admittedly not the foundation specifically but still...). im still not sure tho...i would really like to hear from someone on the st martins foundation atm??...
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    I'm also applying this year but I'm personally going for Chelsea as I didn't really like CSM when I went to the open day.. I know how well known their reputation is but I felt a bit disappointed when I went.
    I might be being biased as I'm doing a Saturday course at Chelsea atm but it actually has been my first choice from the start ^^;;
    All the degree levels are in one building, it's quite cosy, has a bar inside, beautiful building/grounds and a nice spot by the Thames.. and an hour or so on the tube and back every day seems worth it to me
    BUT! Failing that I'm also applying to Kingston, which I'm also in love with (also nice location, the course looks good, more diverse as it's not just an art school, people I know have been there/are applying and said they loved it and it means I can move out, lmao)
    I don't really know about Camberwell, to be honest. I haven't been to one of their open days but I got intrigued as one of my art teachers went there, as did one of my favourite designers that only graduated last year And from what I've heard it is quite good there.. but the location is putting me off a bit and I'm not too keen on South London, tbh =/
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    CSM is widely considered to be one of the best, if not the best, INDEPENDENT design schools in the country (especially for theatre). However, it is not to everyones taste. Its like Oxford or Cambridge in the way that it is amazing at what its good at but isn't for everyone. Alot of independent study etc but a mass of resources and skilled people surrounding you all the time from whom you can learn.

    Camberwell also is good (less well known but thats not always a bad thing) and as said by some previously has a much younger and exciting vibe to it. Gives the impression the design stuff is going to alot more "fun" or "cutting edge" than the more traditional CSM.

    I think it should be a matter of personal preference and that you should deffo go the open days (if there any left) to see which catches your eye more. Don't go for reputation, go for where you want to spend your uni years.

    Good Luck
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    Hey!
    I am applying for foundation year and I am hesitating between Chelsea and Camberwell...I cannot really decide. If I could I would go to the open days, but I can't as I am from Bulgaria and it's only additional costs.. I don't like CSM because as you've said it's really big and the tutors don't pay attention to individul students..and I really want to be in smaller group of students where the tutors could pay attention to every single student, I like it to be more personal.. Could you please tell me which do you think is better ?
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    (Original post by lovehappiness)
    Hey!
    I am applying for foundation year and I am hesitating between Chelsea and Camberwell...I cannot really decide. If I could I would go to the open days, but I can't as I am from Bulgaria and it's only additional costs.. I don't like CSM because as you've said it's really big and the tutors don't pay attention to individul students..and I really want to be in smaller group of students where the tutors could pay attention to every single student, I like it to be more personal.. Could you please tell me which do you think is better ?
    Chelsea has a very large foundation course, almost comparable to CSM, with 400 students. They have increased the intake due to demand. I'm not sure about the intake for Camberwell, so I would suggest contacting the college directly to ask. I suspect it'll be less than Chelsea, but from my knowledge, both colleges are similar in size overall, so you can never tell.

    Out of interest, have you considered Wimbledon? The college is the smallest among the six and I have heard nothing but positive things about its foundation course, mainly due to how small the course is, thus more individual tutoring time.
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    Hey!
    I went to visit some of the London College of Arts unis and i when i first saw Camberwell i reallllly didn't like it, but i done a summer school there and went on a couple more exhibitions and open days and i am truely in love with it!
    I know ALOT of people this year are applying, 9 people in my school alone! So it is very popular this year!

    What i am really wondering about is i sent of my application to uni about a month ago but how long is it before you actually find out if you have got a interview???
    HELP! I have become a nervous wreck waiting for it but i can't find anywhere which tells me!
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    Do Camberwell have a good student/teacher relationship in terms of time spent tutoring and helping with portfolio?..

    apparently there is a different teaching system the first 8 weeks of the art foundation..between chelsea and camberwell.

    can someone answer how chelsea and camberwell art schools are different in terms of work AND social?


    thankyouxx
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    Hi,

    Im at Cambewell, and the first 8 weeks are different because, intsead of being on rotation every two weeks, i.e: 2 weeks fashion, 2 weeks painting.... you do two weeks of research, two weeks of idea dev....its more free because whilst your doing the these two weeks projects, you naturally do what interests you the most. It means at the end of the eight weeks, the tutor can see and tell you which specialism is the best suited for you.
    Also socially its a really nice place to be in, no one is rude or pretentious, its really easy to make friend. Ive definetly had a great time there.

    I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the BA textiles course at st martins and chelsea, i got offered a place at both of them and dont know which one to choose?

    Thank you
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    Hi

    Im thinking of applying for either CSM or the Camberwell,Chelsea,Wimbledon foundation course to attend in 2013. Any advice ??

    I also would like to know why the University of the Arts is ranked so low in league tables, I thought it was mean to be really well renowned and prestigious.

    eg.........

    ‘The university has ranked at the bottom in terms of overall satisfaction for three years running’

    The "Complete University Guide" places the university at 55th overall for 2009, and 10th in the field of Art and Design ( I thought it would be 1st not 10th )

    It was ranked 86th in 2011 by the Times Good University Guide.

    Why???

    I really want to get into a foundation and then onto a degree course there- working hard on a hopefully what will be an amazing portfolio.
    Should I just go to loughborough since its near? is it better ??


    Any answers/advice would be greatly appreciated.
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    I've heard that both CSM and Camberwell aren't actually that good for foundation - they just live off of their reputation. Camberwell has 700+ students and so you get very little tutor time. I went and visited Camberwell for an open day and I found it dark, dingy and not a very pleasant place. It's up to you though - I would recommend going to an open day for both of them and seeing which course you would prefer.
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    Thanks for replying

    I never knew the intake at camberwell was so high :0 Yeah I think I shall have to go to the open days.

    Iydraen...
    Did you end up doing a foundation course?? If so where?? how was it ?? what did you do for further studies (design related degree?? where??)

    Would you say even for a degree UAL is not that good ?

    thanks
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    (Original post by xxxPixiexxx)
    im applying for a foundation course this year but dunno which of the colleges in the University of Arts London to apply to (as you can only apply to one)
    st martins or camberwell....camberwell is nearer me and seems good, but st martins is really well known and also seems good....
    HELP! :confused:
    i would be really interested to hear from any current students at either of these as well as anyone who'd like to offer their opinion
    Thanks!
    HEY! i've been in EXACTLY the same dilema as you for ages! I went to both e CCW foundation open day and the st martins one. the ccw one was first. i really like the atmosphere...but having nothing to compare it to, it was hard to see its negatives. i then went to see st martins at its foundation site at back hill. overall i preferred it for a number of reasons. firstly its location: whilst you're not on the amazing new granary building site at kings cross, you are near leather lane, a really awesome market street which sells expensive art magazines dirt cheap (good to remember!). it's nearer central london and easier to get to. quicker to find from the tube station. the ccw foundation is located in "the progression centre" (a few streets away from camberwell college). the area itself isnt great...but i dunno, it's all down to opinion! i asked people at st martins on any advice between the foundations and of course they were biased!! but they said not to think twice about st martins. i've sent my application to st martins now and there's no going back!! i was kinda set on it before i even found out about the ccw course....so i thought i'd regret not applying. also, one thing to consider, the ccw foundation is in its early days of being one...so they COULD be a little unsure/disorgansied maybe? i dunno...just something to consider? hope this helps! X
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    something else to consider: have a think about the kind of BA you'd be interested in because whichever college for foundation you get into, sees your work first for BA...so for example if your perfect BA course is at chelsea, applying to CCW foundation could be wise! SAYING that, i kinda went against my own advice there since my perfect ba course it at wimbledon and i applied to st martins... :L
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    (Original post by Hello95)
    Hi

    Im thinking of applying for either CSM or the Camberwell,Chelsea,Wimbledon foundation course to attend in 2013. Any advice ??

    I also would like to know why the University of the Arts is ranked so low in league tables, I thought it was mean to be really well renowned and prestigious.

    eg.........

    ‘The university has ranked at the bottom in terms of overall satisfaction for three years running’

    The "Complete University Guide" places the university at 55th overall for 2009, and 10th in the field of Art and Design ( I thought it would be 1st not 10th )

    It was ranked 86th in 2011 by the Times Good University Guide.

    Why???

    I really want to get into a foundation and then onto a degree course there- working hard on a hopefully what will be an amazing portfolio.
    Should I just go to loughborough since its near? is it better ??


    Any answers/advice would be greatly appreciated.
    It's a misconception to think that doing a foundation somewhere like chelsea will lead you smoothly into one of their degree courses. It just doesn't work that way. You may be able to give yourself some advantage through contact with course leaders but in reality where you do a foundation doesn't matter it's what you do in that time that does. You need to be somewhere that will help you improve and gain skills that you need for a BA, and when it comes to submitting your portfolio that is what's really needed. You can do a UAL foundation without going to one of the main colleges. Leeds college of art, Falmouth, Stockport, Lincoln, and UCA do UAL foundation courses and it is likely at these institutes you're more likely to get tutor time, good facilities and the room you need to work.

    I've heard some pretty bad things about foundations (and degrees) at Chelsea and St Martins etc from friends, and i'm so glad I just went to my local college (I did a UAL foundation there). The amount of staff that UAL have got rid of at their main colleges to save costs is insane and the amount of students they are taking to fill the financial gap means the quality of education is going down. My advice would be to look at somewhere like Loughborough (i think they take 40-60 foundation students) where you'll have great facilities and the space to do the things you want but also have the advantage of being within a university. Really it's about what is right for you, you might as well apply to number of places and see how you feel after interview. wish you the best of luck with it!
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    Hi guys , not sure if this is majorly relevant - i went to Camberwell open day last Thursday - in a nutshell i loved the facilities - including letter press - and i'm majorly into print, the print rooms were cool - i liked inside the building, but outside it really put me off, plus its not close to the tube particularly, i had to get a bus from tube. So i guess the only thing putting me off is the location. Such a dilemma right now i'm actually applying for BA possibly graphic design. Anyhow.

    Ciao
 
 
 
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