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Abuse for not being silent for remembrance

A lot of the people who are adamant about the silence don't have a clue about what they are doing it for.

I often study the wars in my free time, and consider myself knowledgable about the sacrifices made by our soldiers. I don't need 2 minutes once a year to remember them, I do it automatically.

Of course I always observe the silence anyway but it gets on my nerves when people get anal about something they don't know about.

Thats mostly young people. I was walking through town when it happened and there were quite a few elderly people about. On the hour they all just stopped dead in their tracks. They are the ones remembering - a lot of others just do it because they feel they have to.

Reply 61

Snobpence17

abc101

Everybody knows why we have the silence. The OP's father was obviously being facetious, argumentative and rude.

He acted like the majority of us would have acted, if automatically judged to be 'trouble causing'.

If someone politely said "It's the silence now" I would have apoligised and shut up.
If someone judged me without reason I'd be annoyed as they do not know me, or my views on the silence and the war. Thus I would realise they're trying to play the higher ground, and would get annoyed with them.

That's all it is, this issue really doesn't have anything to do with the silence of the war, just the busybody, targeting nature of some people.

Reply 62

L i b

19

People who knowingly violate or intrude upon a remembrance silence are just as bad as those who'd interrupt a funeral, and to be quite frank they ought to be physically assaulted.

Reply 63

matt1991

Dan1989

I agree with you on that! Some of the views on here are jsut plain pig-headed!

Hear hear!!

I wonder whether some of the users on here who object to just remembering could voice their views to the faces of men like Harry Patch or Henry Allingham? :rolleyes:

Reply 64

blackdragonthegreat

tinkerbellejess

Wtf are they being punished for?! Not every soldier that has fought and died in wars chose to be there....in fact a lot of them were just pulled up for national service as soon as they were old enough. You should be proud of the people that died so that you could live the life you have now. To think that there are soldiers, even on this website (and me next year) are fighting to give you the right to hold your pig ignorant view.

go and masturbate over your flute.

Reply 65

abcisthealphabet

Your Dad sounds like a ****** to be honest. Would've been a lot easier to just apologise and be silent for the remaining minute/minute and a half. Just because he's been in the army or lost family doesn't mean he's got some right over others to pay tribute to the people who died fighting for us.

Reply 66

Calumcalum

14

DisgruntledMoth

Just play along. Is it really that hard?

Your sig again!! It must be quite annoying that every now and then you get me moaning, but man it's scary! Nothing against you though :biggrin:

Reply 67

random_bloke

1

This thread has made me so furious.

All these "i don't support war so won't take part in the silence" is insane.

Firstly, whether you like it or not we owe our very way of life to some of these guys, without the soldiers and without their sacrifice we would be living under a Nazi state, FACT. So you just ignore that fact and disrespect them all?! It makes you a poor excuse for a human being.

You can be anti-war and still support rememberance day.

YOU ARE NOT ONLY BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE DEAD, BUT ALSO TO THOSE WHO WISHED TO TAKE PART IN THE SILENCE, YOU ROBBED THEM OF THEIR RIGHT TO REMEMBER

This has made me so angry.

Reply 68

abc101

17

Snobpence17

He acted like the majority of us would have acted, if automatically judged to be 'trouble causing'.

If someone politely said "It's the silence now" I would have apoligised and shut up.
If someone judged me without reason I'd be annoyed as they do not know me, or my views on the silence and the war. Thus I would realise they're trying to play the higher ground, and would get annoyed with them.

That's all it is, this issue really doesn't have anything to do with the silence of the war, just the busybody, targeting nature of some people.

No. I would think the majority of us would have been embarrassed at forgetting the time and disrupting the silence, and would have mouthed 'Sorry' and proceeded to be silent.

I certainly wouldn't start kicking off like the OP's dad did simply because someone reminded him of the silence.

Reply 69

numb3rb0y

15

random_bloke

Firstly, whether you like it or not we owe our very way of life to some of these guys, without the soldiers and without their sacrifice we would be living under a Nazi state, FACT.

I keep hearing this. My response is simply that the non-Nazi state I do live in isn't necessarily better than a Nazi one, but just as bad in different ways.

Reply 70

serrellen

11

numb3rb0y

The non-Nazi state I do live in isn't necessarily better than a Nazi one, but just as bad in different ways.

Someone's got a bit of a complex. Are you insane? 2000s Britain comparable to Nazi Germany?

Reply 71

Mithra

2

numb3rb0y

I keep hearing this. My response is simply that the non-Nazi state I do live in isn't necessarily better than a Nazi one, but just as bad in different ways.

There isn't... there just isn't a reply to that kind of logic....

Reply 72

Dan1989

1

numb3rb0y

I keep hearing this. My response is simply that the non-Nazi state I do live in isn't necessarily better than a Nazi one, but just as bad in different ways.

HaHaHaHaHa... :biggrin:

I know i would take modern day Britain anyday compared to a Nazi State, you ever wondered what they would do once they finished killing all the Jews etc and who they deemed lower than them, it would have probably have escilated to those over a certain height etc. What could possibly be better about a Nazi state than a Non Nazi state?!

Reply 73

numb3rb0y

15

Mithra

There isn't... there just isn't a reply to that kind of logic....

Lack of habeas corpus, surveillance state, abridged freedom of expression, tyranny of the majority, drug prohibition where the "cure" is worse than the "disease", severely-attacked right and capability of self-defence, rampant socialism... I could go on for hours, literally. I'm happy that I don't live in the Third Reich but I don't subscribe to the notion that modern England is really all that much better.

Reply 74

matt1991

First off, your dad really could have just been quiet and not launched into one. The fact he has lost family members to various conflicts, as unfortunate as that may be, is no valid reason to interrupt a public and national rememberence of our war dead - a silence which most people in that supermarket seemed to want to take part in!

And to those unfeeling, insensitive and ignorant people who say that just because they didn't believe in WW1, or WW2, or any other war they won'y observe the silence, then I say they're just plain pig-headed and rude. Do I or any other sensible human being condone any war? No. Just because you don't believe in something is no valid reason to avoid taking just two minutes out of your day to remember them and the horrible deaths they died and the families they left behind.

I, for one, have been to the battlefields of Flanders many times, and it is a moving experience I suggest all those ignorant of war and the reasons behind our national rememberence should do the same. I simply can't describe how upsetting it was to stand there, in the centre of the Tyne Cot cemetary to be surrounded by what can only be described accurately is a sea of gleaming white headstones, each one marking a young life cut short needlessly. This is not to mention the boundary wall of the place - 10 feet high, and covered, top to bottom, back to front with names. Names. Names of men and boys who's bodies were never found, were never reunited with their families, would never return home.

That's why we have a silence. 40 million dead. That's why. And shame, shame on all of you who can't be bothered to just donate a few pennies to wear a poppy, or take two minutes from your day to remember the lives of those who never had the liberty to form opinions or voice them so freely as you do.

Respect them.

Reply 75

serrellen

11

numb3rb0y

rampant socialism

Yes, because Das Kapital sales have been soaring. The Tories aren't ahead in the polls, or anything. Socialism is blatantly rampant

Reply 76

numb3rb0y

15

serrellen

Yes, because Das Kapital sales have been soaring. The Tories aren't ahead in the polls, or anything. Socialism is blatantly rampant

The current Conservative party is far-left by American standards, my dear. They're socialist, just a bit less than the other guys.

Reply 77

TommyWannabe

14

numb3rb0y

Lack of habeas corpus, surveillance state, abridged freedom of expression, tyranny of the majority, drug prohibition where the "cure" is worse than the "disease", severely-attacked right and capability of self-defence, rampant socialism... I could go on for hours, literally. I'm happy that I don't live in the Third Reich but I don't subscribe to the notion that modern England is really all that much better.

Ha. Wow.

You list all of those things as disadvantages of England in comparison to a fascist state?

Ok then. Good argument......

Reply 78

Jaterade

I couldn't care less about 2 minutes silence. I respect and remember people that fought in wars, I don't need to perform some kind of ritual to prove it.

Reply 79

numb3rb0y

15

TommyWannabe

Ha. Wow.

You list all of those things as disadvantages of England in comparison to a fascist state?

Ok then. Good argument......

There are thousands of people in prison in this country for committing consensual crimes. I'm sure it makes them feel much better to be told that England is somehow better than Nazi Germany.

Abuse for not being silent for remembrance

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