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What are everyone's opinions on these? I saw the debate on Watchdog last night, and was really irritated by supporters who feel it necessary to drive these monster killing machine cars around cities. None of their arguments really stood up to much; the fact is that they use far more fossil fuels than average family cars, and are really dangerous to pedestrians. Does anyone care to defend them?

Apologies for this biased post, I probably should have attempted to remain neutral on the matter, but I just can't imagine any worthy reason for people owning them?!
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What are everyone's opinions on these? I saw the debate on Watchdog last night, and was really irritated by supporters who feel it necessary to drive these monster killing machine cars around cities. None of their arguments really stood up to much; the fact is that they use far more fossil fuels than average family cars, and are really dangerous to pedestrians. Does anyone care to defend them?

Apologies for this biased post, I probably should have attempted to remain neutral on the matter, but I just can't imagine any worthy reason for people owning them?!
not sure what your gripe is...

"monster killing machine cars" in reference to what? the perception they kill more people or that they are less fuel efficient or both or what?

all cars, regardless of size pollute the environment and can kill you easily at low speeds. the important factor is the person controlling the pedals and the wheel
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all cars, regardless of size pollute the environment and can kill you easily at low speeds. the important factor is the person controlling the pedals and the wheel
Sadly there are alot of bad drivers so the more we can do to reduce the risk of deaths on the road the better.

When a 4 by 4 hits a person, they are more likely to die at the same speed.
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Sadly there are alot of bad drivers so the more we can do to reduce the risk of deaths on the road the better.

When a 4 by 4 hits a person, they are more likely to die at the same speed.
what about if you get hit by a bus...? it'll spread you better than a 4x4 ever would
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what about if you get hit by a bus...? it'll spread you better than a 4x4 ever would
Why has this topic been opened here when an identical one is in the general chat?
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what about if you get hit by a bus...? it'll spread you better than a 4x4 ever would
Agreed. However buses are big as they have about 30 people on them, their drivers are better trained and get more experience at driving a large vechicle. They also due to the nature of bus stops being every half a mile or so travel at a lower speed on average.

If all 4 by 4 users had their car because they needed due to large families I would understand that this increased risk of death might be acceptable however most do not and could just as easily have a normal car.
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Why has this topic been opened here when an identical one is in the general chat?
dont ask me. i didnt start it
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I think it's more appropriately placed in debate and discussion, and I didn't see the one in general chat. :p:

Although the person driving the car is an important factor, 4x4s use more fuel and are more likely to kill pedestrians, as I originally said. :rolleyes:
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(Original post by Rose64)
What are everyone's opinions on these? I saw the debate on Watchdog last night, and was really irritated by supporters who feel it necessary to drive these monster killing machine cars around cities. None of their arguments really stood up to much; the fact is that they use far more fossil fuels than average family cars, and are really dangerous to pedestrians. Does anyone care to defend them?

Apologies for this biased post, I probably should have attempted to remain neutral on the matter, but I just can't imagine any worthy reason for people owning them?!
Your chances of surviving being hit by a car travelling at 40mph are very slim regardless of it being a Humvee of a Golf Polo.
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Bring on hydrogen cars, then we can all have 4x4s.
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Your chances of surviving being hit by a car travelling at 40mph are very slim regardless of it being a Humvee of a Golf Polo.
They're slim either way, but surely you recognise that the odds of you surviving are decreased even further if you're hit by a 4x4?
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Your chances of surviving being hit by a car travelling at 40mph are very slim regardless of it being a Humvee of a Golf Polo.
but at 20mph.....
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but at 20mph.....
Who drives at 20mph? Even my granny goes faster than that.
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Who drives at 20mph? Even my granny goes faster than that.
Well if you are in a 30mph speed limit and then a child steps out in front of the car 10m ahead you will be able to apply the brakes however wont be able to stop in time so in which case you may well be doing 20mph.
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They're slim either way, but surely you recognise that the odds of you surviving are decreased even further if you're hit by a 4x4?
Maybe but generally, if a driver hits a pedestrian at 20 mph, the pedestrian has a 95% chance of survival. At 30 mph the survival chance is 80% and if a driver hits a pedestrian at 40 mph, the pedestrian's survival chances fall to just 10%
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Maybe but generally, if a driver hits a pedestrian at 20 mph, the pedestrian has a 95% chance of survival. At 30 mph the survival chance is 80% and if a driver hits a pedestrian at 40 mph, the pedestrian's survival chances fall to just 10%
Ok I am not disagreeing with anything there. The chances of survival are going to be higher tho if the car is a car and not a 4 by 4 tho. 4 by 4 weighs more, its shape is less bad for your survival chances and if your a dwarf the driver wont see you anyway.
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Well if you are in a 30mph speed limit and then a child steps out in front of the car 10m ahead you will be able to apply the brakes however wont be able to stop in time so in which case you may well be doing 20mph.
Just for general interest an average family car travelling at 35mph will need an extra 21 feet to stop than one travelling at 30mph, but lets not confuse stopping distance with force of impact.
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Just for general interest an average family car travelling at 35mph will need an extra 21 feet to stop than one travelling at 30mph, but lets not confuse stopping distance with force of impact.
I am aware of that fact. I do physics for crying out loud.
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Ok I am not disagreeing with anything there. The chances of survival are going to be higher tho if the car is a car and not a 4 by 4 tho. 4 by 4 weight, its shape is less bad for your survival chances and if your a dwarf the driver wont see you anyway.
I can't be accountable to dwarfs that get in my way.
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