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Im sure you would rather provide some evidence for your argument rather than just appear a fool so please do.
It is like comparing Harvard with Bristol (I am sure that Bristol is great). I may be a fool, but please do not insult my intelligence.
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It is like comparing Harvard with Bristol (I am sure that Bristol is great). I may be a fool, but please do not insult my intelligence.
Not really. Bristol is not a world leading centre of anything whereas SOAS is. As i said LSE is comfortably the more famous of the two and given a straight choice it would be mine but it is not a silly comparison (unlike the one you mention). In the world rankings that have enjoyed a lot of coverage on this forum LSE is 11th and SOAS 43rd - not a huge gap considering they cover different areas and the latter is far smaller than the former, while Harvard is 1st with Bristol something like 150th with them both being multifaculty and similiarly sized institutions.
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Not really. Bristol is not a world leading centre of anything whereas SOAS is. As i said LSE is comfortably the more famous of the two and given a straight choice it would be mine but it is not a silly comparison (unlike the one you mention). In the world rankings that have enjoyed a lot of coverage on this forum LSE is 11th and SOAS 43rd - not a huge gap considering they cover different areas and the latter is far smaller than the former, while Harvard is 1st with Bristol something like 150th with them both being multifaculty and similiarly sized institutions.
Ranking in social sciences:
- LSE: 2nd - 185 points
- SOAS: 84th - 15 points

The comparison is ridiculous.
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(Original post by Londo)
Ranking in social sciences:
- LSE: 2nd - 185 points
- SOAS: 84th - 15 points

The comparison is ridiculous.
I wasnt aware SOAS was a social science institution like LSE. I notice you choose to ignore the more relevant overall rankings.
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I wasnt aware SOAS was a social science institution like LSE. I notice you choose to ignore the more relevant overall rankings.
- LSE 11th of the world - Points 484
- SOAS 44th - Points 235 (Less than half)

Still ridiculous.
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- LSE 11th of the world - Points 484
- SOAS 44th - Points 235 (Less than half)

Still ridiculous.
Not really. Ridiculous would be 1st compared to 200th or something like that. Besides if youre going to go on poinst total for comparison youd have to conclude that any comparison between Harvard/Oxbridge and LSE is similiarly ridiculous(which i certainly do not think it is), seeing as LSE has just over half the points total of those two universities and less than half of Harvards. Also the points gap between SOAS and LSE is less than the points gap between Harvard (1st - 1000) and Oxford (5th - 731.8) and the only reason the difference in placing is greater is the concentration of top universities which are very close to each other in score; For example the bottom 25 of the top 50 are spread over a 110 or so point difference compared with the top two who have a gap of 120 between them alone.
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The difference is that the ranking in social sciences shows the same results comparing LSE and SOAS, while the LSE is second near to Harvard and better and Oxbridge. About SOAS, would you define it as a natural sciences school?
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(Original post by Londo)
The difference is that the ranking in social sciences shows the same results comparing LSE and SOAS, while the LSE is second near to Harvard and better and Oxbridge.
Uhhuh and as i pointed out LSE is a social science specialist while SOAS is not. Comparing the two on social sciences is like accepting the shanghai university ranking which had LSE at something like 202-301th equal because it was totally biased towards science/engineering subjects which LSE does not cover which placed it behind Glasgow,Leeds,Liverpool,Sussex,C ardiff,Leicester and others.
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About SOAS, would you define it as a natural sciences school?
Eh? Of course not, no more than LSE as a Physics Institute.
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Uhhuh and as i pointed out LSE is a social science specialist while SOAS is not. Comparing the two on social sciences is like accepting the shanghai university ranking which had LSE at something like 202-301th equal because it was totally biased towards science/engineering subjects which LSE does not cover which placed it behind Glasgow,Leeds,Liverpool,Sussex,C ardiff,Leicester and others.

Eh? Of course not, no more than LSE as a Physics Institute.
Faculties in SOAS:

Arts and Humanities; Languages and Cultures and Law and Social Sciences.

More or less the same that LSE, so yes, they are comparable in rankings.
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Faculties in SOAS:

Arts and Humanities; Languages and Cultures and Law and Social Sciences.

More or less the same that LSE, so yes, they are comparable in rankings.
Yes indeed - have i denied the overall rankings at any point? Ive simply pointed out its ridiculous to compare them purely on social science which is far more concentrated at LSE than at SOAS.
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Yes indeed - have i denied the overall rankings at any point? Ive simply pointed out its ridiculous to compare them purely on social science which is far more concentrated at LSE than at SOAS.
More facts:
Ranking in Humanities and Arts (that means a couple of LSE departments):

LSE: 10th
OSAS: 18th

Not even here, where LSE departments that are crap compared to others, and are competing with a whole faculty at SOAS!!!!!! Please give me a FACT!!!
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(Original post by Londo)
More facts:
Ranking in Humanities and Arts (that means a couple of LSE departments):

LSE: 10th
OSAS: 18th

Not even here, where LSE departments that are crap compared to others, and are competing with a whole faculty at SOAS!!!!!! Please give me a FACT!!!
Whats your point? And what facts do you want me to give you? Have i said that SOAS is higher ranked than LSE ?
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Whats your point? And what facts do you want me to give you? Have i said that SOAS is higher ranked than LSE ?
Ok, I have to finish this dull discussion. The question was LSE vs SOAS, and you have said that they are the same but LSE has a better reputation. I have defended that you are wrong, and proved it with any ranking you choose, even those biassed towards SOAS, therefore .... NO, LSE and SOAS are not the same (AS you said before) that is my point, a point supported with facts and not with vague rethoric.
Is SOAS good? Probably. It as good as LSE, probably not.
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(Original post by Londo)
Ok, I have to finish this dull discussion.
Yes.
(Original post by Londo)
The question was LSE vs SOAS, and you have said that they are the same but LSE has a better reputation.
No i did not say they are the same. Yes i said LSE has a better reputation.
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I have defended that you are wrong, and proved it with any ranking you choose, even those biassed towards SOAS, therefore .... NO,
Its fairly hard to make out what youre going on about but no you havent proven me wrong once. Feel free to quote yourself doing so if you wish. I disputed your claims that it was a ridiculous comparison and raised various other comparisons which, following your logic, would also be ridiculous (and not in LSE favour) but you chose NOT to tackle these points. You have proved nothing with the rankings other than the fact that LSE is ranked higher than SOAS - something i, and nobody else for that matter has disputed.
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LSE and SOAS are not the same (AS you said before)
No they are not the same and no i did NOT say that. By all means QUOTE me doing so if you wish to claim otherwise.
(Original post by Londo)
that is my point, a point supported with facts and not with vague rethoric.
Vague rhetoric? There was nothing vague about the points i raised although I can see how your muddled thinking doubtless would make lead to confusion (and hence your inability to actually tackle the points i raised)
(Original post by Londo)
Is SOAS good? Probably. It as good as LSE, probably not.
And was that EVER at issue?
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well i know someone that got the following results last year (note- in TWO years):

A Level Mathematics A
A Level Economics A
A Level Physics B
AS Level History B

And he got into LSE!!!!!

Thats how messed up LSE's admissions are!!
Nothing personal you understand, but you really do need to get out more, no seriously...
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Why? Was it because I was mocking faa's post?
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anonymity /ntrik - quite funny. i entirely approve of the comparisons.
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I mite turn down LSE anthro and law for SOAS, tbh it isnt just about how uni's are ranked which matters. Many subjective reasons are impotant and if ur just going on objective numbers then you'll end up no where since not all tables consider every important aspect.

there are loads of ppl who come out of a good uni and end up jobless and dull cos thats in their nature.. and also vice versa.

david lammy went from soas to havard with a full scholarship and is now the youngest mp.

Its funny how LSE ppl are so ready to dismiss SOAS, and how ppl in oxbridge are quite ready to dismiss LSE.

keep arguing.. its very constructive going in circles..
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I mite turn down LSE anthro and law for SOAS
Why? Or are you just saying it for argument's sake?
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No. I have lots of friends in LSE at the moment and Im still undecided whether I wish to goto an institution which is run more like a business.. its not necessarily a bad thing, but mite not be how i envisioned university.

In fact I know of 6 people who go there not including both my uncles who graduated from LSE and are now working in London.

Its so hard to believe that ppl can be snobbish over such a thing as Universities
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