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    (Original post by -Em-)
    No, your argument fails on the erroneous assumption that XY and XXY are the only chromosome configurations a male may have. Hint: They aren't.



    Let me put it simply, then. One in two hundred people in the UK does not fit into that biological categorisation. That's many times the population of your average town.
    I'm not even going to bother arguing the point, to anyone with any common sense penis=man, vagina=woman.
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    Sorry to be naive... but i stopped doing biology after year 10... but where does this third chromosome come from?!?! I learnt that there was one in the sperm and one in the egg.. XX and XY.. how does the third one come into it?
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    (Original post by Blátönn)
    I'm not even going to bother arguing the point, to anyone with any common sense penis=man, vagina=woman.
    Since the whole body of academic work on gender, not to mention the empirical existence of intersex people, refutes what you're saying, it's clearly not that common.

    And I'm not a "dyke" as you so delightfully put it.
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    (Original post by indigovioletred)
    Ok, mosaic karotypes are somewhat of an exception, but they aren't actually relevant to this case, given that as far as we know, she's opted to have certain elements of sex-change surgery having previously been a genetically normal female.
    They're entirely relevant to this case, because they rubbish the binary male/female model in its entirety. I repeat, it's his womb that has allowed him to have the children, not some construction of femininity.
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    Good for him.

    No, this isn't an 'amazing' story from a scientific point of view, but from a social one. I think it's great that he's doing this and is prepared to talk about it.
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    Um no. Sorry, that's not a man. He did not pass out that child via his penis, because he does not have one. He obviously did not want to become a man, because he would have had his girlfriend become pregnant instead of him. He wouldn't have wanted that part of being a female. Or did he?

    I'm sorry, but it's a chick with no breasts and facial hair.
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    (Original post by Annie72)
    I think hes kept his internal female organs, but has a penis on the outside.
    I wonder if he can, er... never mind.
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    (Original post by RedRiotRoses)
    Um no. Sorry, that's not a man. He did not pass out that child via his penis,
    Oh, for the love of...

    You do realise I won't be able to go to the lavatory for the rest of the evening without wincing at that thought? Thanks a bunch.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    I wonder if he can, er... never mind.
    You"ll have to dimiss that thought as it turns out he still has a vagina.
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    (Original post by RedRiotRoses)
    Um no. Sorry, that's not a man. He did not pass out that child via his penis, because he does not have one. He obviously did not want to become a man, because he would have had his girlfriend become pregnant instead of him. He wouldn't have wanted that part of being a female. Or did he?

    I'm sorry, but it's a chick with no breasts and facial hair.
    There are numerous reasons for not wanting to undergo complete GRS in spite of a transsexual identity. Phalloplasty, for example, is lightyears behind vaginoplasty in terms of development and safety.
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    : That really is ******...
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    (Original post by RedRiotRoses)
    Um no. Sorry, that's not a man. He did not pass out that child via his penis, because he does not have one. He obviously did not want to become a man, because he would have had his girlfriend become pregnant instead of him. He wouldn't have wanted that part of being a female. Or did he?

    I'm sorry, but it's a chick with no breasts and facial hair.
    Passing out a child via a penis - there must be a South Park episode on this.

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    (Original post by Wiggler)
    Sorry to be naive... but i stopped doing biology after year 10... but where does this third chromosome come from?!?! I learnt that there was one in the sperm and one in the egg.. XX and XY.. how does the third one come into it?
    anyone able to answer that? i still dont get where the third letter comes from.
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    (Original post by Wiggler)
    anyone able to answer that? i still dont get where the third letter comes from.
    Sorry for overlooking this. The Wikipedia article on Klinefelter's syndrome should help.

    Edit: And it would appear that since 2007, the accepted figure is 1 in 500 males. You learn something new every day :p:
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    Fair play to them, but whoring out to the media is pretty cheap.

    Don't quite understand the few people who are upset "because it's not natural" - you're on a ******* computer, what do you care if something's natural?!
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    (Original post by RedRiotRoses)
    Um no. Sorry, that's not a man. He did not pass out that child via his penis, because he does not have one. He obviously did not want to become a man, because he would have had his girlfriend become pregnant instead of him. He wouldn't have wanted that part of being a female. Or did he?

    I'm sorry, but it's a chick with no breasts and facial hair.
    His wife is infertile, hence him doing it.
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    (Original post by -Em-)
    Sorry for overlooking this. The Wikipedia article on Klinefelter's syndrome should help.

    Edit: And it would appear that since 2007, the accepted figure is 1 in 500 males. You learn something new every day :p:
    And I can't remember the condition but some women are actually men but they don't find out until they never get a period.

    Basically, they are very beautiful women (something to do with the condition), but where the ovaries should be there are testicles instead. Everything else is female.
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    All these posts claiming that "he's a woman!" or "it's unnatural" make me want to cry.
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    Personally i think it is slightly unusual, but each to their own.

    Im a bit too confused to get involved in this topic with all this stuff about genes, havent done biiology for a while. But i think half of you are thinking about his/her sex, which is what you are born with, so biology and the rest gender, which isnt the same thing, gender is to do with socialisation. Okay i maybe wrong, but thats what i thought.

    So based on sex he/she is female, but he/she sees their gender as male.
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    Transphobia makes me .

    I highly recommend 'Transgender Warriors' by Leslie Feinberg. I just finished reading it and it provided a fascinating insight into how trans folk have been perceived throughout history by different cultures. It turns out the whole hate-folk-who-don't-fit-into-the-gender-binary thing is a pretty recent development.
 
 
 
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