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    How does this work, do you have to do all four years at one university? Or can you do your master's at Uni A and do your Phd at Uni B?
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    (Original post by wholenewworld)
    How does this work, do you have to do all four years at one university? Or can you do your master's at Uni A and do your Phd at Uni B?
    As far as I know*, you can only get research council funding for a specific course (i.e. in this case some sort of combined master's/PhD programme like the one Ilex is on), so no, you can't simply apply for four years' worth of funding and then decide where you want to go.

    *Ilex will know better than me, but I'm sure she'll correct me on this if necessary.
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    (Original post by wholenewworld)
    How does this work, do you have to do all four years at one university? Or can you do your master's at Uni A and do your Phd at Uni B?
    The "1" can be done at one university, whilst the "3" can be done at another. It becomes difficult (and sometimes impossible) to switch your doctoral institution half way through a project, and the ESRC explicitly state that they do not recommend it (and may halt funding if it is the case). This is because each ESRC funding application is assessed according to certain criteria, and this criteria includes the quality of your supervisor and the relevance of the work to departmental activities. If you switch departments, then these scores are invalid. Given how specialist PhDs are, you may have only one or two people in the UK that you could study under. Then there is the problem of having a department that is ESRC-approved. By this I mean that you may have an amazing supervisor working at a department that the ESRC does not award funding to, so transferring to that department is impossible.
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    Can you apply to 1+3 not yet knowing what the second institution will be?
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    (Original post by The Boosh)
    The "1" can be done at one university, whilst the "3" can be done at another. It becomes difficult (and sometimes impossible) to switch your doctoral institution half way through a project, and the ESRC explicitly state that they do not recommend it (and may halt funding if it is the case). This is because each ESRC funding application is assessed according to certain criteria, and this criteria includes the quality of your supervisor and the relevance of the work to departmental activities. If you switch departments, then these scores are invalid. Given how specialist PhDs are, you may have only one or two people in the UK that you could study under. Then there is the problem of having a department that is ESRC-approved. By this I mean that you may have an amazing supervisor working at a department that the ESRC does not award funding to, so transferring to that department is impossible.
    Can you do that with funding for the 1, without exceptional circumstances (eg. your supervisor leaving) cropping up between the 1 and the 3, though? I went through the guidelines (all 90 pages of them - that was a very soul-sapping afternoon) before I started and it seemed to indicate that it was not possible to do that, for the reasons you mention (supervisors and departmental accreditation) unless you had major extenuating circumstances and could get your current institution and supervisor to agree to the switch (and thus effectively lose one of 'their' funded places).

    Am I making sense?
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    (Original post by IlexAquifolium)
    Can you do that with funding for the 1, without exceptional circumstances (eg. your supervisor leaving) cropping up between the 1 and the 3, though? I went through the guidelines (all 90 pages of them - that was a very soul-sapping afternoon) before I started and it seemed to indicate that it was not possible to do that, for the reasons you mention (supervisors and departmental accreditation) unless you had major extenuating circumstances and could get your current institution and supervisor to agree to the switch (and thus effectively lose one of 'their' funded places).

    Am I making sense?

    so the answer is that you are expected to do your master's and then the PhD at the same uni.
    Another thing that just popped into my mind: say someone gets the funding , but falls very ill 3 months short of finishing their master's and doesn't finish it (ie no phd either) or they decide not to do the Phd afterwards after all (can they do that?) and then that person would be made to pay to the ESRC?
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    (Original post by wholenewworld)
    so the answer is that you are expected to do your master's and then the PhD at the same uni.
    Another thing that just popped into my mind: say someone gets the funding , but falls very ill 3 months short of finishing their master's and doesn't finish it (ie no phd either) or they decide not to do the Phd afterwards after all (can they do that?) and then that person would be made to pay to the ESRC?
    I suspect not, but they can reclaim payments at their discretion. If you got paid quarterly, for example, and dropped out a week into the quarter, they'd probably ask for those three months' payments back.
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    the other thing is that most of the esrc studentships, or at least the ones that are less soul-destroying to apply for, are associated with particular departments, so if you *did* want to jump ship like this you'd presumably only be able to do so with the open competition, which isn't something i'd recommend to anyone
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    (Original post by IlexAquifolium)
    Can you do that with funding for the 1, without exceptional circumstances (eg. your supervisor leaving) cropping up between the 1 and the 3, though? I went through the guidelines (all 90 pages of them - that was a very soul-sapping afternoon) before I started and it seemed to indicate that it was not possible to do that, for the reasons you mention (supervisors and departmental accreditation) unless you had major extenuating circumstances and could get your current institution and supervisor to agree to the switch (and thus effectively lose one of 'their' funded places).

    Am I making sense?
    I was very drunk when I wrote that post and wasn't thinking straight. I've been drunk all weekend, so please excuse me!!!

    You are absolutely right - it's very hard to transfer from one university to another when you have funding. What I meant to say was that you could do the 1 at one university, and the 3 at another, but only get ESRC awarding for the 3.

    OP: There are 1+3 and +3 applications. I didn't 1+3 funding, but got +3 funding after I did the 1 (paid for by a departmental scholarship). I did the 1 and the 3 at the same university. However, some people did the 1 at one university, then got ESRC funding to do the 3 at another.

    I hope this is clearer.

    Thanks, Ilex!!!
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    i've got esrc 1+3 funding (quota) and will do all 4 years at the same uni. as far as i know you would only be able to switch between your 1st and 2nd year under exceptional circumstances and it's normally not an option because the funding is for certain courses only which are set at the time of applying.
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    Hiya,

    I know this thread is a bit old but hopefully someone will read this. Are there often people on the ESRC 1+3 programme but without the funding?

    I've gotten a place on the programme (quota) but I don't know if i have funding yet.
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    (Original post by reb1989)
    Hiya,

    I know this thread is a bit old but hopefully someone will read this. Are there often people on the ESRC 1+3 programme but without the funding?

    I've gotten a place on the programme (quota) but I don't know if i have funding yet.
    Sorry - further to your other question - if it is a quota place, then it will be funded provided the department has funding (which they may not know yet). Bascially if the ESRC awards them any money they will award it to you. Normally a quota offer would be automatic funding but this year I don't think departments know the number of awards until June.
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    (Original post by IlexAquifolium)
    Sorry - further to your other question - if it is a quota place, then it will be funded provided the department has funding (which they may not know yet). Bascially if the ESRC awards them any money they will award it to you. Normally a quota offer would be automatic funding but this year I don't think departments know the number of awards until June.
    Sorry I've made a mistake. The University of Manchester have offered me a place on the 1+3 programme (combination of MSc Sociological Research and PhD Sociology) which I think means it is recognised by the ESRC.

    They have a quota of 2 awards for Sociology so i'll find out if I have funding at the end of April. I think this probably means I'm through the first round of applications. It's just the not knowing whether it's just wishful thinking or if i'm actually in with a chance. I have a feeling postgrad depts take on anyone really but whether the courses can be paid for is another kettle of fish.
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    What happens if you are on 1+3 programme, get your MSc and then decide not to do a PhD, will you have to pay ESRC back the funding for your MSc?
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    (Original post by JimmyTheD)
    What happens if you are on 1+3 programme, get your MSc and then decide not to do a PhD, will you have to pay ESRC back the funding for your MSc?
    You'd have to ask the university, but usually you pay back any overpaid funding (i.e. anything paid in advance). It's a bit naughty though, because the university won't get any of the money back that you didn't spend, so they basically lose 50k in PhD funding...
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    (Original post by Kitty Pimms)
    You'd have to ask the university, but usually you pay back any overpaid funding (i.e. anything paid in advance). It's a bit naughty though, because the university won't get any of the money back that you didn't spend, so they basically lose 50k in PhD funding...
    Thanks for your reply! As this is only a fees studentship, my uni only has fees for PhD of approx. 6k/year, so they would not lose 50k. Besides, I'm pretty sure these funds will be allocated towards other PhD students who start their +3 component when/if I stop my studies.
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    For the part of the application 'To be completed by the potential supervisor', do you have to ask the supervisor to complete it or does the uni/ESRC ask him/her?
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    Has anyone applied for the 1+3 Studentship at King's, in particular for the Department of War Studies? I know we only hear back from the first round within 3 weeks but I was wondering if they'd started sending out rejections yet?
 
 
 

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