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Reply 20

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by RFX
Yes but the question wasn’t if he should try or not it was whether it’s worth (as he put it in the post himself). That clearly implies that he wants to know whether there’s a strong enough incentive for him to try, given odds that’s aren’t even more unreasonable and many would agree, having predicted grades under the MIN req is more than unreasonable.
On top of that did you research the topic to help OP at all? First all your assumption are based purely off speculation (other than the holistic acessment which doesn’t show whether or not a applicant with grades under predicted is allowed) then you stated incorrect entry requirements, and now you state your “doubt” UCL would discount their A* in EPQ. 1 google search shows the answer to all of theses and UCL clearly says whilst they recognise the worth of an EPQ (and u may wish to put it in your ps just as a regular “super curricular as they say) it doesn’t form part of their standard offer so the fact he may have an A* in it does not aid his issue of being under the min req. https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7150969 here is a link to another thread where a university forum helper also makes it clear if the google search to UCL page doesn’t make it clear. I am not trying to argue this I am trying to use actually evidence from google to give OP a better picture on what his chances are instead of blatantly assume based of assumption (and perhaps some reasonable experience) so he can decide if it’s “worth”. Holistic approach won’t give OP advantage to get offer much as most top unis use the approach, and that assume OP excels in other area, combined with deflated prediction but every top candidate gets the treatment, so no substantial gain like inflation. A non auto rejection again doesn’t meant it is “worth” applying as UCL made it clear odds will be EVEN LESS favourable (again aiding OP with his “worth” question). And an A* EPQ won’t magically take away the fact he’s under req it’s more of a wider reading evidence that is grades which has merit but if that’s your evidence it is “worth” applying then please read what UCL states on all theses topics as I mentioned in other comments as UCL words is more reliable and accurate than your assumptions and to give people better information on the matter. Thank you.

This has already been covered and we are going round in circles.

As I noted earlier, the chances of an applicant to unis like UCL are remote for almost all applicants. The academic minimum requirement is not set in stone and there is a likelihood of applicants below the threshold to be considered and receive offers based on the strength of their applications. My point remains the same that the applicant has a fair chance to be considered and should apply.

Reply 21

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by a._5
Is it worth applying to UCL chemical engineering with these predicted grades:
Physics - B
Chemistry - A
Maths - A
EPQ - A*
I know the entry requirements are AAA, but i was wondering if anyone had been given an offer with AAB.

If you are still monitoring this thread, please ignore the noise on the thread. I strongly suggest that you do apply and hope for the best. Good luck

Reply 22

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by Wired_1800
This has already been covered and we are going round in circles.
As I noted earlier, the chances of an applicant to unis like UCL are remote for almost all applicants. The academic minimum requirement is not set in stone and there is a likelihood of applicants below the threshold to be considered and receive offers based on the strength of their applications. My point remains the same that the applicant has a fair chance to be considered and should apply.

Likewise the subject you covered had also already been covered. The fair consideration all it would mean is OP is disadvantaged due to lower grades.
It’s not complicated the question isn’t “Should I apply or not”. It is “is it worth me applying” which is why you need to give actual evidence not your assumed opinions on how admissions work.

Please next time you decide to help someone give concrete proof of your opinion, not just “Yes I strongly think you should apply because if you do you get considerered”… because you have actively not understood when UCL says they are unlikely to give offers to people with lower grades, they don’t mean “it’s a top uni so it’s hard to get in” they mean you are a disadvantaged applicant compared to a cohort of top achievers, which may make it not worth it for OP to apply.

The min req is set in stone unless they are contextual and not all applicants are equal chance it’s equal consideration. Please research and not give out nonsense.

Reply 23

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by RFX
Likewise the subject you covered had also already been covered. The fair consideration all it would mean is OP is disadvantaged due to lower grades.
It’s not complicated the question isn’t “Should I apply or not”. It is “is it worth me applying” which is why you need to give actual evidence not your assumed opinions on how admissions work.
Please next time you decide to help someone give concrete proof of your opinion, not just “Yes I strongly think you should apply because if you do you get considerered”… because you have actively not understood when UCL says they are unlikely to give offers to people with lower grades, they don’t mean “it’s a top uni so it’s hard to get in” they mean you are a disadvantaged applicant compared to a cohort of top achievers, which may make it not worth it for OP to apply.
The min req is set in stone unless they are contextual and not all applicants are equal chance it’s equal consideration. Please research and not give out nonsense.

The minimum requirement is not set in stone if they have said that they are unlikely to make offers to applicants with below the requirement. Do you understand the concept of likelihoods? It does not mean zero.

I think you are the individual dishing out nonsense. You are combining different random points to create a random assertion.

As I posted earlier, UCL clearly stated that they review applications in a holistic manner. This means that they consider all parts of an applicant’s application before making a decision.

Reply 24

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by Wired_1800
The minimum requirement is not set in stone if they have said that they are unlikely to make offers to applicants with below the requirement. Do you understand the concept of likelihoods? It does not mean zero.
I think you are the individual dishing out nonsense. You are combining different random points to create a random assertion.
As I posted earlier, UCL clearly stated that they review applications in a holistic manner. This means that they consider all parts of an applicant’s application before making a decision.

I don’t think u understand the reason they say unlikely is because very few cases have extenuating circumstances and some contextual offers. Not a general for majority. So it could very well likely be zero as unless your OPs UCAS ref you don’t know anything about his context other than prediction, which is why I have evidence so he can decide in which category he falls into. Not random points I answered the OP Q instead of saying “yes apply” with only proof of “holistic” approach.

But ok if you think being just under a min req for a GLOBALLY TOP uni is worth applying even if they best of the best students apply then please go fourth and apply to unis just out of your reach but don’t advice others misleadingly with lack of real proof. Holistic doesn’t mean at all it’s worth applying it just means they can try.

Reply 25

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by RFX
I don’t think u understand the reason they say unlikely is because very few cases have extenuating circumstances and some contextual offers. Not a general for majority. So it could very well likely be zero as unless your OPs UCAS ref you don’t know anything about his context other than prediction, which is why I have evidence so he can decide in which category he falls into. Not random points I answered the OP Q instead of saying “yes apply” with only proof of “holistic” approach.
But ok if you think being just under a min req for a GLOBALLY TOP uni is worth applying even if they best of the best students apply then please go fourth and apply to unis just out of your reach but don’t advice others misleadingly with lack of real proof. Holistic doesn’t mean at all it’s worth applying it just means they can try.

It is not likely to be zero because you have no clue about the OP’s academic profile. You are concluding based on a sentence on a website when there is a counter that clearly states that they review applications in a holistic manner. You also have no clue about the OP’s context and your commentary can put the OP off applying and missing their opportunity.

You have missed the point again. I did state that there are applicants who have profiles clearly out of reach and there are near cases like the OP. You are making decisions through a black and white approach that is a bit silly imho.

I think we are different people. You believe in dissuading applicants who are “unlikely” but i believe otherwise

Reply 26

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by Wired_1800
It is not likely to be zero because you have no clue about the OP’s academic profile. You are concluding based on a sentence on a website when there is a counter that clearly states that they review applications in a holistic manner. You also have no clue about the OP’s context and your commentary can put the OP off applying and missing their opportunity.
You have missed the point again. I did state that there are applicants who have profiles clearly out of reach and there are near cases like the OP. You are making decisions through a black and white approach that is a bit silly imho.
I think we are different people. You believe in dissuading applicants who are “unlikely” but i believe otherwise

Whilst my evidence may be dissuading the applicant, I think if you can read my comment I said to OP, I made it clear I’m just being coldly realistic AND instead of assuming OPs context I instead asked him to CHECK WITH THE CHECKER I LINKED if he could get better chances at an offer. With basic grammatical analysis I think it’s clear my conclusions above were black and white based on the ideology that I’m aware I DONT KNOW the academic context of all applicant hence why I made it general and if you actually read what I wrote you would know I told a general “black and white case” then asked OP to check for himself if he does indeed have favourable odds with appropriate online evidence/checkers provided by UCL. If your main goal is to fully persuade them to apply also without know context, you did your role in not showing OP how to check what he asked for and instead I have shown idk his context by asking him to check instead of jumping to conclusions for him, I showed him a base general case of what is likely to happen then asked him to use UCL access scheme checker to see if it would aid him, a sensible guidance and it’s clear u haven’t even research any of this by your misjudgement of even the simplest min entry req

If you see my providence of objective evidence as an attempt to dissuade it shows more of your character than it does me. Even if it seemed harsh only to you because you can’t accept the fact UCL most likely won’t give an offer unless there’s key context, which I asked op to verify himself on their website checkers, then your showing your more hurt about the fact your “judgement” is incorrect and based purely off speculation.
Again OP asked for if applying is WORTH so I gave him evidence as to if it is or not, with the checker to see if he has a better chance. Best u have done is stated UCL will consider the application so yes go straight ahead no checking context or anything.
It’s ok to be wrong next time check source/ read q carefully thanks
(edited 1 year ago)

Reply 27

Original post
by RFX
Whilst my evidence may be dissuading the applicant, I think if you can read my comment I said to OP, I made it clear I’m just being coldly realistic AND instead of assuming OPs context I instead asked him to CHECK WITH THE CHECKER I LINKED if he could get better chances at an offer. With basic grammatical analysis I think it’s clear my conclusions above were black and white based on the ideology that I’m aware I DONT KNOW the academic context of all applicant hence why I made it general and if you actually read what I wrote you would know I told a general “black and white case” then asked OP to check for himself if he does indeed have favourable odds with appropriate online evidence/checkers provided by UCL. If your main goal is to fully persuade them to apply also without know context, you did your role in not showing OP how to check what he asked for and instead I have shown idk his context by asking him to check instead of jumping to conclusions for him, I showed him a base general case of what is likely to happen then asked him to use UCL access scheme checker to see if it would aid him, a sensible guidance and it’s clear u haven’t even research any of this by your misjudgement of even the simplest min entry req

It was not realistic as you had not further information on the applicant’s profile and the applicant had AAB (excluding EPQ) when the entry requirement is AAA.

You had complicated a simple question. “is it worth applying for a course that is AAA but I got AAB”. The answer is either “Yes” or “No”.

Like I said, we have gone round in circles with this one. You have your approach of dissuading applicants, so good luck with that approach.

Reply 28

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by RFX
I have a friend who’s applying to UCL chem eng with 3 A*s math fm chem. Ik he has contact with some of the students and can ask him if he’s ever heard of anyone getting offers with those grades.
If you want to make your assessment here’s some things UCL says relating to your academic profile
The Extended Project Qualification does not form part of our standard entrance requirements. UCL recognises the value of EPQs as preparation for independent study, which is key to university-level study.
Due to the high number of applications and level of competition, it is very unlikely that we will make an offer to a student with predicted grades below our entry requirements.
Your EPQ will show them you have wider reading but unfortunately not aiding in part of your offer.
It also seems unlikely you would be considered much with grades under req, unless you are a specific case (make sure any extenuating circumstance you hold is in your reference and you got any relevant proof of them)
-Also use this checker on UCL website to access and see if you are contextual. If you are then you can get an offer with lower grades but that’s most likely the only case. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/prospective-students/undergraduate/access-ucl-scheme

Hi OP, I asked my friend and they said to all the open days and students he spoke with, he hasn’t ever heard of someone being admitted with those grades (except contextual students). He said most likely it’s a very unlikely extreme case where it would be acceptable (e.g royal family or extenuating circumstance)

Also on their site it says “Applicants will not be admitted below the benchmark level without the advanced approval of the ViceProvost and the case for consideration should be submitted by Faculty Tutors…” so if you do have contextual admissions nor a circumstance that you can let it be known to ATutors, it probably wont be allowed. Not sure if that’s exactly what it means you can check in their section 2 admissions page.

Reply 29

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by Wired_1800
It was not realistic as you had not further information on the applicant’s profile and the applicant had AAB (excluding EPQ) when the entry requirement is AAA.
You had complicated a simple question. “is it worth applying for a course that is AAA but I got AAB”. The answer is either “Yes” or “No”.
Like I said, we have gone round in circles with this one. You have your approach of dissuading applicants, so good luck with that approach.

Not sure as to why you are pushing an agenda of me attempting to dissuade applicants. I’m giving them objective proof they desire… this is literal proof UCL has publicly provided so would you claim UCL are dissuading applicants?

I gave them evidence and also told them to check their contextual availability with the checker. Is that not a sensible approach.
You can claim I complicated it but an admissions to uni for a teenager isn’t something so light to be answered with a yes or no. I don’t have to give OP an unrealistic expectation above an already low chance.

And again I don’t think u understand basic English. My realistic explanation is the general “black and white case” you claimed, which is why after I told them check if they can get it contextually, as that’s the only way. Are you claiming they should just try apply without checking if they are contextual? Because they won’t get in without contextual offer or circumstances.

Reply 30

RFX speaking facts during this entire thread, it would be unrealistic to expect to receive an offer from ucl while below the predicted grades.

Reply 31

Original post
by RFX
Not sure as to why you are pushing an agenda of me attempting to dissuade applicants. I’m giving them objective proof they desire… this is literal proof UCL has publicly provided so would you claim UCL are dissuading applicants?
I gave them evidence and also told them to check their contextual availability with the checker. Is that not a sensible approach.
You can claim I complicated it but an admissions to uni for a teenager isn’t something so light to be answered with a yes or no. I don’t have to give OP an unrealistic expectation above an already low chance.
And again I don’t think u understand basic English. My realistic explanation is the general “black and white case” you claimed, which is why after I told them check if they can get it contextually, as that’s the only way. Are you claiming they should just try apply without checking if they are contextual? Because they won’t get in without contextual offer or circumstances.

You are right that I don't understand basic English. I think we have flogged this horse enough. My points have been made and it is up to the OP to make their decision. All the best.

Reply 32

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by Wired_1800
You are right that I don't understand basic English. I think we have flogged this horse enough. My points have been made and it is up to the OP to make their decision. All the best.

Agreed. OP whilst I believe UCL has made it clear to be unlikely, please check contextual admissions and also make sure UCAS ref has stated any circumstances on your reference. UCL is a great aspirational and please use the information provided to make a better informed decision

Reply 33

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by RFX
Agreed. OP whilst I believe UCL has made it clear to be unlikely, please check contextual admissions and also make sure UCAS ref has stated any circumstances on your reference. UCL is a great aspirational and please use the information provided to make a better informed decision

All the best.

Reply 34

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by Wired_1800
All the best.

All the better than best

Reply 35

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by RFX
All the better than best

Ok

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by Wired_1800
Ok

Ok

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by RFX
Ok

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by Wired_1800
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by RFX
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