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Is a business hons degree a good idea for someone who wants to run their own business or would a one year masters be better ?

Which degree would be best e.g business studies, management, marketing , accounting , finance

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Original post by Rose_99
Is a business hons degree a good idea for someone who wants to run their own business or would a one year masters be better ?

Which degree would be best e.g business studies, management, marketing , accounting , finance

Whilst I hold a bias against business degrees in general, I will try to be as informative and objective in this post.

A business degree would give you the business knowledge to set up a business. However, I consider it unnecessary because there are cheaper and shorter alternatives in terms of qualifications, such as doing A Level Business Studies and CIMA's BA Certificate.

You can also go for online or offline business courses that cover the necessary material, or get coaching/mentorship from businesspeople. Quality of these will vary depending on who you ask.

The business knowledge that you will get is almost entirely theoretical in business degrees, and it won't teach you to carry out the tactics or what sort of forms that you would need to carry out. For example, it won't teach you how to file for VAT, how to pick professionals, how to sell, what you need to legally register a business, and what formation of businesses there are. It definitely won't teach you the basics of advertising campaigns, something quite crucial for growth. On the other hand, tactics can change along with trends, so business degrees ignore anything that isn't based on principles.

Should you decide to do a business degree, you would need to follow it up with further courses on how to do certain things in business. It's likely that you would also need professional advice, so I would recommend you to sign up for business support services such as that from Federation of Small Businesses.

A one year's master's is more like the equivalent of half of a bachelor's, but it's much more intensive because you would need to not only cover the second and third year material in one year, but also do a dissertation on top.

In my opinion, a half decent and worthwhile business degree should cove the following technical subjects:

Data analytics or business statistics

Business economics

Financial and management accounting (if you had to choose, management accounting is more relevant)

Marketing analytics (should be in marketing module)

Marketing

Business finance


Useful but not always relevant (depending on your country) modules would be business tax and business law. These subjects should also be covered in the BA certificate from CIMA.

The best degree to run a business would generally one that is a jack of all trades or cover as many useful business subjects as possible. Management and business studies tend to do this.
Whilst I like to say marketing and accounting are probably the more useful degrees, they are too specialised in their specific areas to cover everything that you would need.

As a business degree alone won't help with certain things in business, I recommend picking up lessons on the following to help you with your business journey after your degree (should you decide to do the degree):

How to sell

Copywriting skills

Digital marketing - certificates by Facebook and Google tend to go into a lot more detail than you would need, but they're nice for paid advertising

Tax planning (if you haven't took a tax module)

GDPR laws and general compliance

Goal setting

Time management

IT systems used in business e.g. apps

How to manage and influence people

How to delegate

How to train and coach people

Human psychology (much of the practical knowledge relates to HR and marketing)

Financial management (the accounting modules may not cover this in enough detail)

How to do things with little to no money, and it's not just about operating on a shoe string budget either

Negotiation

Putting together deals

Business networking

Reply 2

Original post by MindMax2000
Whilst I hold a bias against business degrees in general, I will try to be as informative and objective in this post.

A business degree would give you the business knowledge to set up a business. However, I consider it unnecessary because there are cheaper and shorter alternatives in terms of qualifications, such as doing A Level Business Studies and CIMA's BA Certificate.

You can also go for online or offline business courses that cover the necessary material, or get coaching/mentorship from businesspeople. Quality of these will vary depending on who you ask.

The business knowledge that you will get is almost entirely theoretical in business degrees, and it won't teach you to carry out the tactics or what sort of forms that you would need to carry out. For example, it won't teach you how to file for VAT, how to pick professionals, how to sell, what you need to legally register a business, and what formation of businesses there are. It definitely won't teach you the basics of advertising campaigns, something quite crucial for growth. On the other hand, tactics can change along with trends, so business degrees ignore anything that isn't based on principles.

Should you decide to do a business degree, you would need to follow it up with further courses on how to do certain things in business. It's likely that you would also need professional advice, so I would recommend you to sign up for business support services such as that from Federation of Small Businesses.

A one year's master's is more like the equivalent of half of a bachelor's, but it's much more intensive because you would need to not only cover the second and third year material in one year, but also do a dissertation on top.

In my opinion, a half decent and worthwhile business degree should cove the following technical subjects:

Data analytics or business statistics

Business economics

Financial and management accounting (if you had to choose, management accounting is more relevant)

Marketing analytics (should be in marketing module)

Marketing

Business finance


Useful but not always relevant (depending on your country) modules would be business tax and business law. These subjects should also be covered in the BA certificate from CIMA.

The best degree to run a business would generally one that is a jack of all trades or cover as many useful business subjects as possible. Management and business studies tend to do this.
Whilst I like to say marketing and accounting are probably the more useful degrees, they are too specialised in their specific areas to cover everything that you would need.

As a business degree alone won't help with certain things in business, I recommend picking up lessons on the following to help you with your business journey after your degree (should you decide to do the degree):

How to sell

Copywriting skills

Digital marketing - certificates by Facebook and Google tend to go into a lot more detail than you would need, but they're nice for paid advertising

Tax planning (if you haven't took a tax module)

GDPR laws and general compliance

Goal setting

Time management

IT systems used in business e.g. apps

How to manage and influence people

How to delegate

How to train and coach people

Human psychology (much of the practical knowledge relates to HR and marketing)

Financial management (the accounting modules may not cover this in enough detail)

How to do things with little to no money, and it's not just about operating on a shoe string budget either

Negotiation

Putting together deals

Business networking


Hey, I am thinking of doing a degree in Marketing. My A-Levels are art, graphics and psychology and predicted A*,A,A. You seem to know a lot about business so i am wondering if my 2 art subjects will affect my application. I have emailed universities and asked them the same question and they have all said that it is not a problem but i am an over thinker and scared that i will get no offers.
Many thanks
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Original post by glennnnnnf
Hey, I am thinking of doing a degree in Marketing. My A-Levels are art, graphics and psychology and predicted A*,A,A. You seem to know a lot about business so i am wondering if my 2 art subjects will affect my application. I have emailed universities and asked them the same question and they have all said that it is not a problem but i am an over thinker and scared that i will get no offers.
Many thanks

Nope. According to the entry requirements for all business related degrees that do not deal with financial mathematics (or financial components with a lot of maths), they don't care about what A Level subjects you have done.

If the university is particularly academic and picky (I don't know of any that would be that offers marketing degrees), they might want subjects that may be a little more academic. However, I think you would be more than fine.

As a personal recommendation, after your undergrad degree I would recommend a professional marketing qualification should you wish to study marketing further. Whilst there are no formal requirements to get into marketing, the professional qualifications might give you a little bit of an edge in industry. See the following:
https://www.cim.co.uk/qualifications/
https://www.theidm.com/qualifications-training/marketing-qualifications
https://ipa.co.uk/courses-qualifications/ (does not specify the equivalent of other qualifications/degrees)
https://www.mrs.org.uk/learningCPD/masters (lists accredited master's)
You would be looking for qualifications above Leve 6 (equivalent of a bachelor's degree). Personally, CIM is my favourite and it's most widely recognised or mentioned (as far as I know).

Reply 4

Hey, thanks for the fast reply!
Two of my courses include business and marketing. The universities are Northumbria and sheffield hallum and they both require 120 ucas points with no specific subject but i can’t help but worry about the two art subjects due to me going onto an academic course.
Could you also suggest what i should do if i don’t get any offers?
many thanks
Original post by glennnnnnf
Hey, thanks for the fast reply!
Two of my courses include business and marketing. The universities are Northumbria and sheffield hallum and they both require 120 ucas points with no specific subject but i can’t help but worry about the two art subjects due to me going onto an academic course.
Could you also suggest what i should do if i don’t get any offers?
many thanks


As far as I know, Northumbria's and Sheffield Hallam's business schools aren't particularly picky about A Level subjects.

If for any random reason (in some weird scenario) they decide to say your application is not competitive enough, then you can either do 2 more A Levels, an Access course, BTEC, or apply for a degree with a foundation year. Northumbria and Sheffield funnily enough have foundation year integrated degrees, so you would be able to get in irrespective (they would recommend the course should you fail to meet their entry requirements).

If you want to do 2 extra A Levels (by some fluke), the academic subjects you can pick tend to be the "traditional" school subjects you would normally expect e.g. maths, history, a language, economics, business studies, physics, biology, chemistry, computer science, further maths, etc. These are usually the harder subjects.

Should you decide to do an Access course, you should be able to pick any Access course and still get into any business related degree, since the business schools would likely accept any subjects. However, I would check the specific entry requirements for the specific degree that you want to apply for first (they should have a section for Access courses).

Should you do a BTEC Level 3 extended diploma, you would need to do it at an adult college. This should be in any subject, since business schoolas accpet any subejcts. Again, I would still check the specific entry requirements for the specific degree that you want to apply for first.

What's making me curious is that if you're capable of getting A*AA, you should be more than capable in applying for universities such as Durham, Southampton, Leeds, UEA, Lancaster, and Manchester.

In terms of cost, a foundation year is the most expensive but you get student funding for it. Access is probably the cheapest (about £1000). The drawback of a foundation year is that they are not likely going to let you change universities easily. With Access, not every university will accept them, and those that do won't do so for every course (shouldn't be an issue with business degrees though). BTECs cost about £3500, and you likely need to top it up with an A Level if the university is picky (need to ask the university). A Levels can vary in cost depending on how you study it (self study @ £50 for textbook vs online course with costs ranging from £400 to £900), but you would need to do the exams as a private candidate and cost a minimum of £250 each (shoud you do a science practical it's usually another £1000 on top for each science subject).

Really, I think you're more than fine with any business school that offers marketing or business at undergrad level.
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Reply 6

Thank you so much for all the information you are sending me. i really appreciate it! I got amazing GCSE with 7,8,9 and the annoying part is i know that i can do more academic subjects and get good grades from them, just at the time of picking my a-levels i wanted to go down the art route. i am applying to Lancaster and it is my dream university along with Newcastle. i looked at durham and they require academic subjects sadly:frown: Part of me knows that i will be fine and everything will work out but i’m just scared that i won’t get any offers and will end up with useless a-levels that i don’t need/want.

Reply 7

i have looked at the business foundation year and that would be my option if i didn’t get into any university’s or i would do an EPQ and more work experience to make myself stand out in my personal statement.
Original post by glennnnnnf
Thank you so much for all the information you are sending me. i really appreciate it! I got amazing GCSE with 7,8,9 and the annoying part is i know that i can do more academic subjects and get good grades from them, just at the time of picking my a-levels i wanted to go down the art route. i am applying to Lancaster and it is my dream university along with Newcastle. i looked at durham and they require academic subjects sadly:frown: Part of me knows that i will be fine and everything will work out but i’m just scared that i won’t get any offers and will end up with useless a-levels that i don’t need/want.


Where does it specifically say that Durham says that need academic subjects for marketing and management bsc? I'm looking at the course page and I can't find it on the course page: https://www.durham.ac.uk/business/courses/n509/#entry-requirements-933224
Have you spoken to Durham regarding this?

Just to throw a curve ball, you don't need art related A Levels to do certain art related degrees. You would need a portfolio to show to the admission team though. There would be the odd degree or 2 that would be looking for art related A Levels, but they are never really an explicit requirement. Most of the universities would be looking at your aptitude for the subject as oppose to your academic grades for the subject.

Reply 9

I lack confidence in my personal statement. it is good for me but i think Durham will just straight up reject me. If i was to take a gap year and do an a-level in a year will they consider that extra a-level ? because there only offer was AAA. so say i did business a-level, would they take into account that extra a-level?

Reply 10

Plus i prefer Lancaster and Newcastle and have already sent my application off so no turning back :smile:

Reply 11

Original post by MindMax2000
As far as I know, Northumbria's and Sheffield Hallam's business schools aren't particularly picky about A Level subjects.

If for any random reason (in some weird scenario) they decide to say your application is not competitive enough, then you can either do 2 more A Levels, an Access course, BTEC, or apply for a degree with a foundation year. Northumbria and Sheffield funnily enough have foundation year integrated degrees, so you would be able to get in irrespective (they would recommend the course should you fail to meet their entry requirements).

If you want to do 2 extra A Levels (by some fluke), the academic subjects you can pick tend to be the "traditional" school subjects you would normally expect e.g. maths, history, a language, economics, business studies, physics, biology, chemistry, computer science, further maths, etc. These are usually the harder subjects.

Should you decide to do an Access course, you should be able to pick any Access course and still get into any business related degree, since the business schools would likely accept any subjects. However, I would check the specific entry requirements for the specific degree that you want to apply for first (they should have a section for Access courses).

Should you do a BTEC Level 3 extended diploma, you would need to do it at an adult college. This should be in any subject, since business schoolas accpet any subejcts. Again, I would still check the specific entry requirements for the specific degree that you want to apply for first.

What's making me curious is that if you're capable of getting A*AA, you should be more than capable in applying for universities such as Durham, Southampton, Leeds, UEA, Lancaster, and Manchester.

In terms of cost, a foundation year is the most expensive but you get student funding for it. Access is probably the cheapest (about £1000). The drawback of a foundation year is that they are not likely going to let you change universities easily. With Access, not every university will accept them, and those that do won't do so for every course (shouldn't be an issue with business degrees though). BTECs cost about £3500, and you likely need to top it up with an A Level if the university is picky (need to ask the university). A Levels can vary in cost depending on how you study it (self study @ £50 for textbook vs online course with costs ranging from £400 to £900), but you would need to do the exams as a private candidate and cost a minimum of £250 each (shoud you do a science practical it's usually another £1000 on top for each science subject).

Really, I think you're more than fine with any business school that offers marketing or business at undergrad level.

some med students said that unis disregard anything done after the 2 year time frame set for A levels such as repeats or any extra A level done in a gap year, is this true ?
Original post by glennnnnnf
I lack confidence in my personal statement. it is good for me but i think Durham will just straight up reject me. If i was to take a gap year and do an a-level in a year will they consider that extra a-level ? because there only offer was AAA. so say i did business a-level, would they take into account that extra a-level?

The only real way for you to know is to submit an application to Durham.

As far as I know if you have the right grades and you meet all the subject requirements, the only situations where they might reject you is if the course is overly competitive and the course is very academic. From what I have seen, neither are really the case with marketing at the uni. However, I'm not omniscient, so I don't know.

I think it's better if you ask people who have successfullly got onto the marketing degree course at Durham for their opinion. If you have someone who used to work at Durham's business school admission team, so much the better.

If they really are pushing for academic subjects, I would do Business A Level + an extra academic A Level that you like (art isn't really considered 'academic').

If you do get rejected, they should specify the reasons why they rejected you. If they don't, ask them for further infoirmation on what you could have done to improve your application.
Original post by Aqila Chan
some med students said that unis disregard anything done after the 2 year time frame set for A levels such as repeats or any extra A level done in a gap year, is this true ?

I'm not sure

Reply 14

Why do you keep saying to do two a-levels? Can i not do 1 A-level in a year?
Original post by glennnnnnf
Why do you keep saying to do two a-levels? Can i not do 1 A-level in a year?


Because I'm not sure whether Durham would consider Art an academic A Level. Graphics is very likely not.
However, like I said, I don't know what Durham will say and the best way around this is to just ask them about it.

Psychology is definitely OK though.

Reply 16

Thankyou for all your advice. I appreciate it a lot however i don’t think i want to go to durham and don’t think i will be able to complete two academic alevels in a year. I’m just going to hope for the best and pray for an offer😅.
Original post by glennnnnnf
Thankyou for all your advice. I appreciate it a lot however i don’t think i want to go to durham and don’t think i will be able to complete two academic alevels in a year. I’m just going to hope for the best and pray for an offer😅.


Good luck

Reply 18

Yes, if you take MBA digree from any business school its really help you in understanding of business basics need and other IT releated idea to implement in your own business. and many more during study. also if you get awesome grade then good for your future.

Reply 19

Original post by glennnnnnf
Hey, I am thinking of doing a degree in Marketing. My A-Levels are art, graphics and psychology and predicted A*,A,A. You seem to know a lot about business so i am wondering if my 2 art subjects will affect my application. I have emailed universities and asked them the same question and they have all said that it is not a problem but i am an over thinker and scared that i will get no offers.
Many thanks

The best degrees for marketing careers include: Advertising, Graphic Design, Maths & Stats, Natural Sciences, Economics, English Lit & History, History & Economics, Modern Languages, and Data Science. Marketing degrees teach you things that are now out-of-date. I know I hired someone with one and there were so many areas that he didn't know anything about. I literally ended up teaching him marketing.

Game Theory and Network Science - these underpin Marketing, so your course should cover these topics. If it doesn't then don't do that course.

Machine Learning is increasingly being used in marketing, You would be far better off doing an apprenticeship than a degree in marketing. Marketing and Business degrees are increasingly, in my company, at least seen as the least useful degrees and those who have them went to the weakest universities. What to look for is a university course that has industry links - D&AD and agencies especially. key marketing areas: London, Bristol, Manchester, Leeds, Glasgow, and Nottingham. Ignore degrees from universities in other locations. Look at the Bio/Cvs for the lecturers on their web page, as so many have never worked in marketing.

My advice would be A-Levels in Maths, Physics, Further Maths/Chemistry, and History - these trump most marketing degrees, especially when combined with a personality that is out-going, personable, and driven, not complacent.

You also need to every year update your skills - look at London Business School, Warwick Business School, Henley Business School, Said Business school, and Judge Business school for open courses. Also, very worthwhile are online courses run by the London College of Communication.

THE best professional qualification for Marketing, especially content creation and PR is NCTJ's Journalism course.

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