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  • View Poll Results: Which uni in the UK has the strongest maths department outside Oxbridge?
    Imperial
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    Warwick
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    (Original post by angelafleming)
    Cambridge: The reason for this decision is that competition in your subject was particularly fierce this year (we in fact had an all-time record number of applications) and your ranking on paper was not high enough for you to be included on our shortlist for interview. A final decision on your application will be made in late December/early January.

    Any advice on what I should do?
    Nice. Identical wording to my rejection-without-interview letter. Is there a new increased level of competition every year?

    All you can do is realise Cambridge's selection process (indeed any universities) will not gaurentee them the best mathematicians (but being Cambridge they'll get a decent enough bunch with their method) so some people will get filtered out when they are good enough. EDIT: As for the Indian qualifications being the reason you were rejected - I was rejected applying with A's and 1 B at AS, a medical note to explain the B (I got a migraine in some exams) and predicted AAAA. Who knows how they differentiated between me and the other applicants with identical qualifications.

    As for universities, if you're chosing between Warwick and Imperial, don't judge on "how good mathematically" as they are basically the same. Look at things like freedom of module choice, location, accomodation, facilities, sports & societies. I can't say much about Imperial, I ruled it out quickly as London is far too big and expensive for me, but Warwick I'm at.

    It's a campus uni, halfway between Coventry and Leamington Spa. Coventry is a large, ugly town that I don't go near much. Good shops and cheap nightlife though. Leamington Spa is smaller and prettier and generally nicer. Unless you go through clearing you are gaurenteed accomodation on campus which I think is vital. Lots of freshers like you about, everything is close by. On advantage of Warwick is the sheer number of maths people, there is just under 300 in my year, which is approx 1 in 10 freshers, I think. So within my hall of 70 people there were 11 mathematicians which was really useful for working together/when you are confused about something. After the first year you move out to either Coventry or Leamington. Cov involves either a bus journey in, or living just outside the university boundary (10mins walk). Leamington is a 20min bus journey away but its not too bad as there are buses around every 5 mins during the day. The course has lots of options, the system works on "CATS", you do 120-150 CATS a year, 90 of which are core in the first year (and this decreases each year, 66 in year 2 I believe), the rest of which you chose from maths, stats, physics, languages, and you can apply for other courses too (I know someone who did all her options in english). The choice is difficult but I sign up for everything and drop stuff I don't like after a few lectures and that works well enough. One thing possibly quite unusual about the degree is the constant assessment. The first year counts 10% towards your final classification, and example sheets and tests count in some small way towards this (4-7 example sheets per module, worth 15% in total for that module, other modules like Vector s and Matrices, and Foundation in Year 1 Term 1 have a test each week). I like that system as otherwise I wouldn't work so hard term time, and it means by aceing the example sheets you can afford to do slightly less well in the exams. But it sucks when you are ill and can't slow down.
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    http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/...ub=22&x=31&y=4
    rankings may help, though don't take their word as gold.
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    (Original post by Swayum)
    At the risk of turning this thread into a speculative thread titled "Why was I rejected by Cambridge"...

    Do your grades reflect that you're as good as any top A-level student? Do you meet their minimum requirements (they probably have some dodgy stuff for internationals)?

    Even if so, I think Cambridge interviews fewer international students than it does home students and they probably have good reasons for that. It has nothing to do with you being Indian though, but rather that you're an international student, which is my point.
    Yes, Cambridge does indeed interview only a very small % of the international students it admits. And it admits quite a lot!
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    All quite similar I would think.. just go to the one you like the most after visiting. I would put Bristol as ur 5th choice.
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    (Original post by BadExaminee)
    Yes, Cambridge does indeed interview only a very small % of the international students it admits. And it admits quite a lot!
    Does that mean I still have a chance? (Don't give me false hopes, though.)
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    (Original post by scotty01292)
    Can't believe nobody's said LSE yet?????? Surely it's gotta be one of the top ones?
    Because LSE is a specialist social science university (and a handful of arts). Maths is a science.

    They have a maths department and those taking other degrees are able to select departments from it. But they don't offer maths degrees.

    Anyway, I'd say Imperial and Warwick with UCL, Durham, Bath and a couple of others close behind.
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    I find the constant assessment at Warwick quite annoying. It feels like we're being treated like 10 year olds, incapable of full independant study. If you go to lectures, it's a hell of a lot of work.
    The rest of the course is awesome. The modules are of a fair difficulty, not extremely difficult but there are a few easy and a few challenging questions, there is support for studying outside of the degree course (more challenging questions and problem solving classes) and the amount of flexibility is immense. It's also a good thing that students are allowed to study more modules if they choose to. I'm not sure how much of the above applies to imperial & UCL... but if the latter part doesn't then I think that's one good factor to distinguish the unis.

    As for your last choice, I'd go with Bath. I have a friend there and they seem to do fairly interesting work.
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    (Original post by angelafleming)
    Does that mean I still have a chance? (Don't give me false hopes, though.)
    What have they said you ? If they said they rejected you, I'm afraid you stand no chance.
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    (Original post by BadExaminee)
    What have they said you ? If they said they rejected you, I'm afraid you stand no chance.
    Trinity College: I regret to inform you that you have not been selected for interview. A letter from the Tutor for Admissions to this effect has been posted to you. The reason for this decision is that competition in your subject was particularly fierce this year (we in fact had an all-time record number of applications) and your ranking on paper was not high enough for you to be included on our shortlist for interview. A final decision on your application will be made in late December/early January.
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    (Original post by angelafleming)
    Which brings me to my next question: List the top 4 unis in the UK for maths in rank order.

    Edit: Warwick is ranked only 69 here.
    First of all, that's not even a ranking of maths departments. That's a ranking of universities as a whole.

    Also, the world rankings are nonsense, biased and don't give any indication as to which unis are stronger than others, especially for undergraduate education.

    If you really have to use league tables then use the Times, Sunday Times or Independents (in other words, the domestic ones).

    I know this has already been said. But I just want to ask why, yet again, you've created a second thread when this thread is more than sufficient?
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    (Original post by angelafleming)
    Trinity College: I regret to inform you that you have not been selected for interview. A letter from the Tutor for Admissions to this effect has been posted to you. The reason for this decision is that competition in your subject was particularly fierce this year (we in fact had an all-time record number of applications) and your ranking on paper was not high enough for you to be included on our shortlist for interview. A final decision on your application will be made in late December/early January.
    That's a nice way of saying "get your ass outta here!"
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    (Original post by River85)
    First of all, that's not even a ranking of maths departments. That's a ranking of universities as a whole.

    If you really have to use league tables then use the Times, Sunday Times or Independents (in other words, the domestic ones).
    You mean this one?

    http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_...b=42&x=25&y=12
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    (Original post by angelafleming)
    You mean this one?

    http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_...b=42&x=25&y=12
    Yes. The Times is usually seen as the most definative and reliable ranking, although even this has its faults and, in my opinion, shouldn't be used to base your university decision on (only as a guide, at best).

    There's also the Independent's

    http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...e.htm?ipg=6605

    But the Times is viewed as the more reliable ranking, slightly (although, in truth, there's often no great difference between the two).

    I've merged the posts from your other thread into this one. It's pointless having two threads on what's essentially the same topic. You've already been told not to do this.
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    (Original post by River85)
    I've merged the posts from your other thread into this one. It's pointless having two threads on what's essentially the same topic. You've already been told not to do this.
    But did you have to delete the poll?
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    (Original post by angelafleming)
    But did you have to delete the poll?
    Imperial and Warwick were tied on 16, UCL had 0 votes and "Other" had 2.

    Feel free to add a new poll (and add the two together), but keep it to this thread. It'll be a bit pointless though as Imperial and Warwick will dominate it (with Imperial probably just shading it). I don't think you really need a poll to work that out.

    I don't really think you should base your decisions on a poll anyway. You've asked what the strongest unis are and you've got the answers. Imperial and Warwick with UCL and Durham behind and a few other unis like Bath, Leicester, Nottingham all there or there abouts.

    There are other things you need to take into account, course and assesment differences (which is what this thread was originally designed to address), location etc.

    Do you have any preference in terms of location? Small city, large city, campus, non-campus?
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    (Original post by River85)
    There's also the Independent's

    http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...e.htm?ipg=6605
    The Independent's league table is almost as mysterious as the Guardian's. Dundee, for instance, has only two of the available six indicators used to calculate the final score, and yet comes 3rd in the table. Imperial, on the other hand, has all six indicators AND beats Dundee in the two it does have, yet comes 4th. Even if we accepted their choice of metrics as appropriate and well defined, little can account for such outcomes other than a Beadlefingers analysis or deliberate skewing of the results.
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    (Original post by angelafleming)
    But did you have to delete the poll?
    OK, I've added a new poll. However, this is only between Warwick and Imperial (as those were the two leading unis in your first poll and were neck and neck). I've taken UCL out (nothing against UCL, just it didn't have any votes and I don't think it's stronger than departments at a few other unis anyway). There is an "other" choice and people can state the uni in this thread.

    (Original post by MrShifty)
    The Independent's league table is almost as mysterious as the Guardian's.
    I do admit that, when I'm looking at it now, it does seem quite an odd table. In the past I've rarely noticed significant differences between the Times and Independent, particularly in the arts subjects. However, this is the first time I've locked at their maths ranking.

    So, OP, keep with the Times ranking. You have have a look at the general ranking of the Independent's (which I don't think is too bad) but, if you really have to use a subject table, use the Times'.
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    (Original post by River85)
    I don't really think you should base your decisions on a poll anyway. You've asked what the strongest unis are and you've got the answers. Imperial and Warwick with UCL and Durham behind and a few other unis like Bath, Leicester, Nottingham all there or there abouts.

    There are other things you need to take into account, course and assesment differences (which is what this thread was originally designed to address), location etc.

    Do you have any preference in terms of location? Small city, large city, campus, non-campus?
    Which of these is the easiest to get a conditional offer from? (I'll be writing my A levels only in June 2009; my present Indian qualifications are insufficient for any of them.)
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    (Original post by angelafleming)
    Which of these is the easiest to get a conditional offer from? (I'll be writing my A levels only in June 2009; my present Indian qualifications are insufficient for any of them.)
    All are top universities so will expect high standards. I don't think there really is an easiest (certainly not between Imperial and Warwick). Amongst the rest of the best, well that depends on who you include. But, taking UCL, Durham, Bath, Nottingham, St Andrews and Leicester as examples then probably Leicester and Nottingham. However, I am not a maths student and I do not have application stats at hand so you shouldn't really place any value in that. All are very good universities indeed, will expect high standards. Maths is a competitive degree.

    If you haven't really seen it already check out the wiki article, it includes some useful links (such as advice on how to chose where to study)

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Mathematics_Degree
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    (Original post by Swayum)
    If you're talking about UCL then everyone who turns up to the open day gets made an offer. So being invited to one is equivalent and included in my 500 offers count. You'd either have to reject the open day or insult the admissions tutor + lecturer and admit who you are to them after doing it for you to get rejected now.
    Yep. and you don't even have to stay for the whole day. I went with a friend (both of us were invited), signed in, stayed for an hour and when they were taking us to our next stop on the tour, quietly took a a different route!
 
 
 
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