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I was wanting to start on level 1 level 2 functional skills maths and English this year before doing access course my other hectic plan was originally to study next year level 2 plumbing, level 3 electrical installation and level 2 car paint repair before doing a access to science course and give the university a call regarding which access course would be required.

Should I learn a trade or do an apprenticeship how do I make up my mind?

Should I really apply for to learn plumbing / electrical installation before University as a safety net in case University doesn't work out?
Original post by uranium199842t
I was wanting to start on level 1 level 2 functional skills maths and English this year before doing access course my other hectic plan was originally to study next year level 2 plumbing, level 3 electrical installation and level 2 car paint repair before doing a access to science course and give the university a call regarding which access course would be required.

Should I learn a trade or do an apprenticeship how do I make up my mind?

Should I really apply for to learn plumbing / electrical installation before University as a safety net in case University doesn't work out?


The plans seem to be all over the place.

If you do go to university, which area of science do you intend to study? What do you intend to do after the degree?

Why did you choose to study plumbing, electrical installation, and car repair? Are you intending to go into those areas for work? Why those specific areas? Why not IT, design, teaching English as a foreign language, personal training, real estate/property, civil service, catering, engineering, education, healthcare, logistics, writing, business, accounting, marketing, HR, law? Why a trade in particular over everything else?

Bear in mind, due to the ELQ restrictions, once you have done a level 2 qualification, the next level 2 qualification you decide to do you would need to pay for by yourself. Same with level 3 qualifications as well.
So it doesn't matter when you decide to pick up the trade, but you would likely need to pay for your course due to the ELQ policy.

If you intend to pick up the trade at some point, I would compare the cost of the course should the government not willing to fund your studies, and check to see which path is cheaper for you.

I would then find out what is important to you and what you ultimately want to do further down the line, then work backwards to see what you need and what's compatible with your goals. As you have not mentioned these points, it's very difficult for me (or anyone) to opine on the situation.
Original post by MindMax2000
The plans seem to be all over the place.

If you do go to university, which area of science do you intend to study? What do you intend to do after the degree?

Why did you choose to study plumbing, electrical installation, and car repair? Are you intending to go into those areas for work? Why those specific areas? Why not IT, design, teaching English as a foreign language, personal training, real estate/property, civil service, catering, engineering, education, healthcare, logistics, writing, business, accounting, marketing, HR, law? Why a trade in particular over everything else?

Bear in mind, due to the ELQ restrictions, once you have done a level 2 qualification, the next level 2 qualification you decide to do you would need to pay for by yourself. Same with level 3 qualifications as well.
So it doesn't matter when you decide to pick up the trade, but you would likely need to pay for your course due to the ELQ policy.

If you intend to pick up the trade at some point, I would compare the cost of the course should the government not willing to fund your studies, and check to see which path is cheaper for you.

I would then find out what is important to you and what you ultimately want to do further down the line, then work backwards to see what you need and what's compatible with your goals. As you have not mentioned these points, it's very difficult for me (or anyone) to opine on the situation.


My ultimate plan would be to attend University to study biochemistry to get a job then move abroad afterwards.
Original post by uranium199842t
My ultimate plan would be to attend University to study biochemistry to get a job then move abroad afterwards.


Are you intending to work in biochemistry abroad then? If so, you could easily do a bachelor's then a PhD (ideally straight after the bachelor's but some places would be asking for a master's). If you want to work in biochemistry, you would likely you would need the relevant PhD irrespective of the country.
If you're not going into biochemistry, then I would probably enquire what job you intend to do. It's going to be a bit strange to study a biochemistry degree to then not go into life sciences or biochemistry.

If you want to go into biochemistry, you can more or less just get funding to do all the necessary degrees you would need (you should pick the appropriate degrees the first time round e.g. not go back to do a second bachelor's/master's/PhD) from the Student Loan Company. You won't likely need to do any further trades or skills in order to achieve this, unless you're just looking for other skills to keep yourself afloat whilst you're abroad.

If you intend to work abroad, your qualifications in trades would very unlikely to be recognised or accepted. Unless it's something like personal training, IT certs, TESOL, IMI (mechanic), accounting (e.g. ACA, ACCA, CIMA, ICAS), you might have a few problems getting jobs in the trade yo worked in. A UK degree would be recognised irrespective of which country you go to.

I don't know which country you intend to move to, so I don't know what will be specifically recognised, and what won't be.
Original post by MindMax2000
Are you intending to work in biochemistry abroad then? If so, you could easily do a bachelor's then a PhD (ideally straight after the bachelor's but some places would be asking for a master's). If you want to work in biochemistry, you would likely you would need the relevant PhD irrespective of the country.
If you're not going into biochemistry, then I would probably enquire what job you intend to do. It's going to be a bit strange to study a biochemistry degree to then not go into life sciences or biochemistry.

If you want to go into biochemistry, you can more or less just get funding to do all the necessary degrees you would need (you should pick the appropriate degrees the first time round e.g. not go back to do a second bachelor's/master's/PhD) from the Student Loan Company. You won't likely need to do any further trades or skills in order to achieve this, unless you're just looking for other skills to keep yourself afloat whilst you're abroad.

If you intend to work abroad, your qualifications in trades would very unlikely to be recognised or accepted. Unless it's something like personal training, IT certs, TESOL, IMI (mechanic), accounting (e.g. ACA, ACCA, CIMA, ICAS), you might have a few problems getting jobs in the trade yo worked in. A UK degree would be recognised irrespective of which country you go to.

I don't know which country you intend to move to, so I don't know what will be specifically recognised, and what won't be.


I do intent to work abroad in Bermuda or Cayman Islands for the rest of my life.
Original post by MindMax2000
Are you intending to work in biochemistry abroad then? If so, you could easily do a bachelor's then a PhD (ideally straight after the bachelor's but some places would be asking for a master's). If you want to work in biochemistry, you would likely you would need the relevant PhD irrespective of the country.
If you're not going into biochemistry, then I would probably enquire what job you intend to do. It's going to be a bit strange to study a biochemistry degree to then not go into life sciences or biochemistry.

If you want to go into biochemistry, you can more or less just get funding to do all the necessary degrees you would need (you should pick the appropriate degrees the first time round e.g. not go back to do a second bachelor's/master's/PhD) from the Student Loan Company. You won't likely need to do any further trades or skills in order to achieve this, unless you're just looking for other skills to keep yourself afloat whilst you're abroad.

If you intend to work abroad, your qualifications in trades would very unlikely to be recognised or accepted. Unless it's something like personal training, IT certs, TESOL, IMI (mechanic), accounting (e.g. ACA, ACCA, CIMA, ICAS), you might have a few problems getting jobs in the trade yo worked in. A UK degree would be recognised irrespective of which country you go to.

I don't know which country you intend to move to, so I don't know what will be specifically recognised, and what won't be.


I do need some careers advice what degree could I study that would allow me to work with parasites and viruses at University?
Edinburgh offers BSc Infectious Diseases,
UCL offers BSc Infection and Immunity
idk if that helps but best do some research
Original post by uranium199842t
I do need some careers advice what degree could I study that would allow me to work with parasites and viruses at University?
Original post by uranium199842t
I do need some careers advice what degree could I study that would allow me to work with parasites and viruses at University?


From the following pages, it's likely to be biomed as opposed to biochemistry:
https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/microbiologist
https://targetjobs.co.uk/careers-advice/job-descriptions/microbiologist-job-description
https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/microbiologist
https://www.sortyourfuture.com/job-type/parasitologist
You could alternatively go for bioological science or biology degrees.

At master's level you can specialise in microbiology, but you can do it in virology:
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/study/masters/courses/list/18112/msc-medical-and-molecular-virology/
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/study/pg/medicine/molecular-biology/
https://www.gla.ac.uk/postgraduate/research/virology/
...as well as in parastilogy:
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/study/courses/masters-degrees/medical-parasitology
https://www.qub.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate-taught/parasitology-pathogen-biology-msc/
https://www.gla.ac.uk/postgraduate/research/parasitology/
https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/study/postgraduate-research/degrees/medical-parasitology/
https://www.keele.ac.uk/study/postgraduateresearch/researchareas/parasitology/
Should you wish to go and do a master's in microbiology, you would need to carefully pick the degrees that have the sort of modules that you want to do. For example:
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/study/courses/masters-degrees/medical-microbiology#structure and https://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/postgraduate/degrees/index.php?r=site/view&edition=2023&id=891 would have units on both parastilogy and virology

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/study/masters/courses/list/08939/msc-medical-microbiology/course-details/#course-profile and https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/pgstudy/course/taught/microbiology-and-immunology-msc#courseContent, https://www.lincoln.ac.uk/course/micbioms/ only have a module on virology

https://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate-masters/msc-medical-microbiology has no modules on virology or parasitology

There are roughly 50 or so master's in microbiology, so I won't go through all of them. Virology and parasitology tend to be modules within a postgrad degree, and you often don't get full bachelor's or master's in the subjects.
Should you remain in the UK, I would have tried to stress the importance of getting a degree approved by the IBMS in order to work for the NHS. As it's not your intention, I don't know whether the accreditation would be upheld in the Cayman Islands or Bermuda (I can't find anything online, but it should be).

You would have flexibility in what subject you can choose to study in your PhD so long you have a supervisor who is credible in the related field.

As @mia.gmia has pointed out, there are specific degrees that you can do in virology and parastilogy at undergrad level, but I am wary of recommending these as they might pigeonhole you into only going in those areas and would drastically reduce the scope of what you can do as well as restricting the work you can apply for. See the following degree in virology:
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/2023/cellular-molecular/bsc-virology-immunology/
As far as I can tell, it only has one module on virology and the rest is focused on immunology. In which case, it's not that much different from doing a life science undergrad and then a postgrad in either parasitology, virology, or microbiology.

In terms of getting posts in the Cayman Island, it's not easy like when trying to emigrate to any country:
https://www.internations.org/cayman-islands-expats/guide/working-short#:~:text=Job%20Hunting%20in%20the%20Cayman,for%20most%20positions%20they%20advertise.
http://www.immigration.gov.ky/portal/page/portal/immhome/workinghere/workpermits#:~:text=Anyone%20wishing%20to%20work%20in,Spouse%20of%20a%20Caymanian
https://caymanresident.com/work/finding-a-job
https://www.expatfocus.com/caymans/moving/how-to-move-to-the-caymans
Out of the 6 higher education institutes in the area, only 2 would do anything related to life sciences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_the_Cayman_Islands (namely St. Matthews University and University College of the Cayman Islands)

In terms of getting posts in Bermuda, it doesn't look like it's any easier:
https://www.bermuda-attractions.com/bermuda_000187.htm
https://www.gov.bm/how-get-work-permit
https://www.bermudaemployment.com/were-here-to-help/immigration-policies-in-bermuda/
https://www.expatfocus.com/bermuda/working/how-to-find-a-job-in-bermuda-5906
https://www.internations.org/bermuda-expats/guide/working-short

Bermuda on the other hand have no accredited colleges that offer 4 year bachelor's, master's. or PhD degrees. In other words, you will be hard pressed to find an academic research role in Bermuda. See: https://www.spainexchange.com/study-abroad/universities2-BM-en-cu.htm
It does have a college that offers health related associate degrees: https://www.college.bm/index.php/academics

Should you be looking to emigrate, it looks like you have better chances of landing a relevant job in the Cayman Islands than in Bermuda.
This is irrespective of the fact that academics are usually known to be able to get jobs in academia relatively easily from abroad,

Personally, I would rather you get advice from life science academics based in the Cayman Islands for advice, If you can look them up on the university websites or LinkedIn, they might be able to offer more in depth answers.
(edited 1 year ago)
Original post by MindMax2000
From the following pages, it's likely to be biomed as opposed to biochemistry:
https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/microbiologist
https://targetjobs.co.uk/careers-advice/job-descriptions/microbiologist-job-description
https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/microbiologist
https://www.sortyourfuture.com/job-type/parasitologist
You could alternatively go for bioological science or biology degrees.

At master's level you can specialise in microbiology, but you can do it in virology:
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/study/masters/courses/list/18112/msc-medical-and-molecular-virology/
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/study/pg/medicine/molecular-biology/
https://www.gla.ac.uk/postgraduate/research/virology/
...as well as in parastilogy:
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/study/courses/masters-degrees/medical-parasitology
https://www.qub.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate-taught/parasitology-pathogen-biology-msc/
https://www.gla.ac.uk/postgraduate/research/parasitology/
https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/study/postgraduate-research/degrees/medical-parasitology/
https://www.keele.ac.uk/study/postgraduateresearch/researchareas/parasitology/
Should you wish to go and do a master's in microbiology, you would need to carefully pick the degrees that have the sort of modules that you want to do. For example:
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/study/courses/masters-degrees/medical-microbiology#structure and https://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/postgraduate/degrees/index.php?r=site/view&edition=2023&id=891 would have units on both parastilogy and virology

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/study/masters/courses/list/08939/msc-medical-microbiology/course-details/#course-profile and https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/pgstudy/course/taught/microbiology-and-immunology-msc#courseContent, https://www.lincoln.ac.uk/course/micbioms/ only have a module on virology

https://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate-masters/msc-medical-microbiology has no modules on virology or parasitology

There are roughly 50 or so master's in microbiology, so I won't go through all of them. Virology and parasitology tend to be modules within a postgrad degree, and you often don't get full bachelor's or master's in the subjects.
Should you remain in the UK, I would have tried to stress the importance of getting a degree approved by the IBMS in order to work for the NHS. As it's not your intention, I don't know whether the accreditation would be upheld in the Cayman Islands or Bermuda (I can't find anything online, but it should be).

You would have flexibility in what subject you can choose to study in your PhD so long you have a supervisor who is credible in the related field.

As @mia.gmia has pointed out, there are specific degrees that you can do in virology and parastilogy at undergrad level, but I am wary of recommending these as they might pigeonhole you into only going in those areas and would drastically reduce the scope of what you can do as well as restricting the work you can apply for. See the following degree in virology:
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/2023/cellular-molecular/bsc-virology-immunology/
As far as I can tell, it only has one module on virology and the rest is focused on immunology. In which case, it's not that much different from doing a life science undergrad and then a postgrad in either parasitology, virology, or microbiology.

In terms of getting posts in the Cayman Island, it's not easy like when trying to emigrate to any country:
https://www.internations.org/cayman-islands-expats/guide/working-short#:~:text=Job%20Hunting%20in%20the%20Cayman,for%20most%20positions%20they%20advertise.
http://www.immigration.gov.ky/portal/page/portal/immhome/workinghere/workpermits#:~:text=Anyone%20wishing%20to%20work%20in,Spouse%20of%20a%20Caymanian
https://caymanresident.com/work/finding-a-job
https://www.expatfocus.com/caymans/moving/how-to-move-to-the-caymans
Out of the 6 higher education institutes in the area, only 2 would do anything related to life sciences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_the_Cayman_Islands (namely St. Matthews University and University College of the Cayman Islands)

In terms of getting posts in Bermuda, it doesn't look like it's any easier:
https://www.bermuda-attractions.com/bermuda_000187.htm
https://www.gov.bm/how-get-work-permit
https://www.bermudaemployment.com/were-here-to-help/immigration-policies-in-bermuda/
https://www.expatfocus.com/bermuda/working/how-to-find-a-job-in-bermuda-5906
https://www.internations.org/bermuda-expats/guide/working-short

Bermuda on the other hand have no accredited colleges that offer 4 year bachelor's, master's. or PhD degrees. In other words, you will be hard pressed to find an academic research role in Bermuda. See: https://www.spainexchange.com/study-abroad/universities2-BM-en-cu.htm
It does have a college that offers health related associate degrees: https://www.college.bm/index.php/academics

Should you be looking to emigrate, it looks like you have better chances of landing a relevant job in the Cayman Islands than in Bermuda.
This is irrespective of the fact that academics are usually known to be able to get jobs in academia relatively easily from abroad,

Personally, I would rather you get advice from life science academics based in the Cayman Islands for advice, If you can look them up on the university websites or LinkedIn, they might be able to offer more in depth answers.


I decided to study integrated master's degree in biology and need to do a epidemiology post graduate certificate on top of that in order to practice epidemiology; I would like to enquire about funding to see if the government would be willing to fund my studies?
Original post by uranium199842t
I decided to study integrated master's degree in biology and need to do a epidemiology post graduate certificate on top of that in order to practice epidemiology; I would like to enquire about funding to see if the government would be willing to fund my studies?


You shoulld be fine with funding for your integrated master;s but the epideminology would require you to pay out of pocket.

There are only 5 PG Cert courses that I could find online for epidemiology, and about 3 of them you shouldn't have problems getting into should you have the right grades. A number of them will break the bank should you pay for them yourself though. See:
https://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/postgraduate/degrees/index.php?r=site/view&id=1042
https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/pgcert-statistics-epidemiology
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/study/courses/masters-degrees/epidemiology-online
https://www.london.ac.uk/courses/epidemiology
https://on.abdn.ac.uk/courses/epidemiology/
Original post by MindMax2000
You shoulld be fine with funding for your integrated master;s but the epideminology would require you to pay out of pocket.

There are only 5 PG Cert courses that I could find online for epidemiology, and about 3 of them you shouldn't have problems getting into should you have the right grades. A number of them will break the bank should you pay for them yourself though. See:
https://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/postgraduate/degrees/index.php?r=site/view&id=1042
https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/pgcert-statistics-epidemiology
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/study/courses/masters-degrees/epidemiology-online
https://www.london.ac.uk/courses/epidemiology
https://on.abdn.ac.uk/courses/epidemiology/


Thank you for your help and support and now I know I need to study a integrated master's degree in biology and then a post graduate certificate in epidemiology before I can officially practice my chosen role.

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