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Hi, I've recently started a masters with about a 50/50 split of home and international students. For one of my module they have told us that only non-first language English students can access extra support if they have any issues with an assignment and if we are first language English we should be proof reading and checking the work of non-first language English students when doing group assignments. Is this fair or right and what can I do about it? I'm a first language English student but so far have felt like the assignments are a lot more work for me due to having to help the non-first language English students. I've not experienced this at undergrad level so don't really understand why it's expected of me. The masters is about planning and development so nothing to do with education. I also understand that studying in another language is harder than in your first (which is why I would probably never do it especially at this level) but why should that be my issue if I have decided to study in a language that's easier for me?

Reply 1

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by Lilly2510
Hi, I've recently started a masters with about a 50/50 split of home and international students. For one of my module they have told us that only non-first language English students can access extra support if they have any issues with an assignment and if we are first language English we should be proof reading and checking the work of non-first language English students when doing group assignments. Is this fair or right and what can I do about it? I'm a first language English student but so far have felt like the assignments are a lot more work for me due to having to help the non-first language English students. I've not experienced this at undergrad level so don't really understand why it's expected of me. The masters is about planning and development so nothing to do with education. I also understand that studying in another language is harder than in your first (which is why I would probably never do it especially at this level) but why should that be my issue if I have decided to study in a language that's easier for me?

Hi @Lilly2510,

I can only speak from my own experience - and from a UK HE context - but certain elements of this seem highly unusual to me.

Whilst it certainly isn't unusual for additional support to be offered to students for whom English is not their first language, this is usually offered through a university's academic support services and via professionally trained support staff. At Keele, for example, our Language Centre provides individual and group language and academic skills guidance for international students at all levels (https://www.keele.ac.uk/study/languagecentre/academicenglish/) in addition to offering Pre-Sessional English courses (https://www.keele.ac.uk/study/languagecentre/pre-sessional/).

At Keele we also offer native English speakers support with their Academic English and Study skills. For example, we have a service called Write Direction (https://www.keele.ac.uk/kiite/workingwithstudents/academicskills/writedirection/) that offers one-to-one academic coaching to assist students in developing their academic practice and skills, in addition to guides to help students with note taking, academic reading, how to research, plan and write assignments etc. Plus there's additional support available for students with Dyslexia and other disabilities (https://www.keele.ac.uk/students/lifeoutsideofstudy/disabilityanddyslexiasupport/).

Whilst peer-to-peer support (from trained peer supporters) is sometimes made available as part of a wider student support package, I'm very surprised that there is direct pressure being placed on you to proof-read the work of non-native speaking students. Proof-reading and Academic Skills support are both very specialist areas of work. regardless of who that support is being offered to. In addition, there's absolutely no guarantee that a native-speaking student possesses better academic English skills - I've seen plenty of terrible spelling and grammar from native English speakers! Plus, in most institutions, this practice could place students at risk of committing inadvertent academic misconduct.

You don't mention in your post who has told you that you need to offer this support. Given what you have said, I think it's worth clarifying exactly what you're being expected to do with the module lead as it's possible that the usual level of peer-support you get on any course has been miscommunicated, or that their instructions have been misinterpreted. If you don't feel comfortable or confident approaching them directly to raise this, do so through your course rep, your student's union reps, and/or your personal tutor/advisor.

Hope that helps and good luck with the rest of your course!

Amy Louise
PhD Candidate & Student Ambassador, Keele University.

Reply 2

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by Keele Postgraduate
Hi @Lilly2510,

I can only speak from my own experience - and from a UK HE context - but certain elements of this seem highly unusual to me.

Whilst it certainly isn't unusual for additional support to be offered to students for whom English is not their first language, this is usually offered through a university's academic support services and via professionally trained support staff. At Keele, for example, our Language Centre provides individual and group language and academic skills guidance for international students at all levels (https://www.keele.ac.uk/study/languagecentre/academicenglish/) in addition to offering Pre-Sessional English courses (https://www.keele.ac.uk/study/languagecentre/pre-sessional/).

At Keele we also offer native English speakers support with their Academic English and Study skills. For example, we have a service called Write Direction (https://www.keele.ac.uk/kiite/workingwithstudents/academicskills/writedirection/) that offers one-to-one academic coaching to assist students in developing their academic practice and skills, in addition to guides to help students with note taking, academic reading, how to research, plan and write assignments etc. Plus there's additional support available for students with Dyslexia and other disabilities (https://www.keele.ac.uk/students/lifeoutsideofstudy/disabilityanddyslexiasupport/).

Whilst peer-to-peer support (from trained peer supporters) is sometimes made available as part of a wider student support package, I'm very surprised that there is direct pressure being placed on you to proof-read the work of non-native speaking students. Proof-reading and Academic Skills support are both very specialist areas of work. regardless of who that support is being offered to. In addition, there's absolutely no guarantee that a native-speaking student possesses better academic English skills - I've seen plenty of terrible spelling and grammar from native English speakers! Plus, in most institutions, this practice could place students at risk of committing inadvertent academic misconduct.

You don't mention in your post who has told you that you need to offer this support. Given what you have said, I think it's worth clarifying exactly what you're being expected to do with the module lead as it's possible that the usual level of peer-support you get on any course has been miscommunicated, or that their instructions have been misinterpreted. If you don't feel comfortable or confident approaching them directly to raise this, do so through your course rep, your student's union reps, and/or your personal tutor/advisor.

Hope that helps and good luck with the rest of your course!

Amy Louise
PhD Candidate & Student Ambassador, Keele University.

We were told this by the course director (who is my lecturer for one module) the masters is based at Cardiff university in the school of Geography and Planning, I have tried to approach the subject with my personal tutor (who is a lecturer on one of my modules) and was basically told that I should follow what the course director says and in other words put up and shut up. I’ve never had training to be a peer mentor as they call them in my uni and don’t feel qualified to be giving out advice but I almost feel like I can’t say anything without potentially damaging my grades in future

Reply 3

Original post
by Lilly2510
We were told this by the course director (who is my lecturer for one module) the masters is based at Cardiff university in the school of Geography and Planning, I have tried to approach the subject with my personal tutor (who is a lecturer on one of my modules) and was basically told that I should follow what the course director says and in other words put up and shut up. I’ve never had training to be a peer mentor as they call them in my uni and don’t feel qualified to be giving out advice but I almost feel like I can’t say anything without potentially damaging my grades in future

Hi @Lilly2510,

I don't know Cardiff's policies and procedures so can't speak to specifics but, if you feel this requirement is negatively impacting your own studies and experience, I would suggest that the next step might be raising this with either your school's postgraduate programme director (i.e. the person who oversees all the taught programmes within the school, not just your particular course), student experience officer, and/or students union representatives. It's probably also worth speaking with the student representative for your course/faculty as they will usually sit on committees giving feedback and raising concerns to senior leadership within your school/faculty.

I understand that you might be concerned about your grades but a) most universities have anonymous marking - and internal/external moderation processes - to ensure that students cannot be favoured/penalised for these sorts of reasons, and b) you're raising a legitimate concern about both your ability to undertake a task that you've been given without appropriate support and training, and its impact upon your own course of study (which, I assume, you've probably paid quite a lot of money to undertake).

In addition - and regardless of the issue around supporting others - if you feel that you need support with managing workload, it's important to reach out for that. Your Students Union and Student Support services should be able to point you in the right direction in that regard.

Amy :smile:
(edited 3 years ago)

Reply 4

Original post
by Lilly2510
Hi, I've recently started a masters with about a 50/50 split of home and international students. For one of my module they have told us that only non-first language English students can access extra support if they have any issues with an assignment and if we are first language English we should be proof reading and checking the work of non-first language English students when doing group assignments. Is this fair or right and what can I do about it? I'm a first language English student but so far have felt like the assignments are a lot more work for me due to having to help the non-first language English students. I've not experienced this at undergrad level so don't really understand why it's expected of me. The masters is about planning and development so nothing to do with education. I also understand that studying in another language is harder than in your first (which is why I would probably never do it especially at this level) but why should that be my issue if I have decided to study in a language that's easier for me?


Hi @Lilly2510,

Just thought I'd weigh in as someone who did my undergrad at Cardiff and who worked in the student voice section of the SU for 2 years during and after my degree: this is definitely something you should raise with your subject rep and the Students Union, they can be your lobbyists against the department and I've seen this be very successful before. The first thing they'll probably tell you is they would like some kind of written proof though, ideally an email where this is asked of you, rather than it just being verbal.

This is the page on the SU website where you can find and contact the rep for your course https://www.cardiffstudents.com/your-voice/reps/school/15829/ (if there isn't one assigned, you should be able to use this form instead: https://www.cardiffstudents.com/your-voice/reps/contact/_)

I would also highlight that the academic support at Cardiff is centralised, so it works like in the example Amy gave from Keele. You should therefore still be able to access academic support, even if your course leader has said you can't- they don't have control of this at all! The page outlining what they offer is here: https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/study/student-life/learning-support/academic-skills-classes.
They also have specific support for international students, including an english language induction programme, so there really is no reason for this to be put on you.

You mentioned the peer mentor programme Cardiff runs (I was one of the first batch of peer mentors in SHARE) this is really designed as friendly support and helping students get used to living in Cardiff, we were specifically told we weren't allowed to proof-read or give academic support to other students, so even if you were being expected to act a bit like a peer mentor, this still shouldn't include proof-reading!

Finally, you mentioned concern about this affecting your grades: I wanted to reassure you that all your assigned work should be blind marked, with the tutor only seeing a student number- this is a Cardiff policy, and if you find out they aren't doing this definitely take it to the SU! The only exception possibly being your dissertation since it will become well known what subject you're planning on writing about, so except for things like group presentations you should be fine, and if you did genuinely believe you were being marked down due to refusal to comply with something like this you would definitely be able to appeal your marks, maybe just get written proof from your personal tutor and the course lead that this is what they're expecting you to do.

Hopefully this helps, always happy to answer more questions about Cardiff,

Monica

BA Religious Studies, Cardiff Uni
ex-Student Services, Cardiff University Students Union
MA Theology Durham Uni
Current Librarian University of Suffolk

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