Is Messi now the undisputed greatest of all time?

Internationally Messi played for Arsenal and won a title, not the best in the world but certainly can compete and still with some of the best players in the world bottled it in 2014 lost in 2018 and won a rigged wc in 2022. He also lost 3 finals in a row where the federation put them on to get messi a win in which he retired because he couldn't take how much of a bottler he was
Internationally Ronaldo plays for Preston North end and won the euros and nations league. Until he was 36 he was playing with literal bums week in week out who wouldn't make it into a premiere league side while Messi had the best attack in world football at Argentina. The refs were against him in every tournament and he never got 6 penalties in a row in any international tournament or got given goals when subs were on the pitch.

Like it or not Messi's career is closer to Neymar than it is to Ronaldo. A system player who should be remembered for bottling with the best teams, getting the most favourable refereeing at any world cup since Germany vs Hungary and for not changing football in his country like Ronaldo has, with it now being considered a footballing nation - this is like if a player came through at Greece and in 20 years time they are producing great talents. Ronaldo has more of a legacy than Messi could in 20 more seasons.

CR7 is the greatest. Put Ronaldo in that Barcelona side from the beginning and he would be on 1000 goals rn. People forget ronaldo had 0 goals in 30 champions league appearances. To go from that to the all time champions league top scorer is ridiculous. Also has the most goals in history. Greatest clutch player of all time. Leader and motivator. No one tops CR7

before ronaldo - 3 world cups, 3 euros
after ronaldo - 5 world cups, 5 euros

Messi was in a team who had nearly won the world cup before him more than Portugal had ever qualified for the damn thing, know what your talking about before you comment lmao


Argentina got 6 penalties, none of them were even reviewed / looked at by VAR, messi's 2nd goal in the final should of been disallowed as 2 subs were on the pitch. Pay attention to the game instead of jerking off into a coma looking at messi do a few faints and you might spot it

Until 2020 Portugal had put together teams comprised of Danny and Fabio Coentrao as star men for Ronaldo in his prime where he still dragged them to major tournaments where without him they would of been hopeless.

Portugal had one of the strongest teams on paper in 2022. Messi had one for 2010, 2014, 2018, 2022 as well as was the strongest team in all of the 3 consecutive copa americas he bottled which led to him retiring lmao

Ronaldo carried portugal, not in the final in 2016 of course, but without him they would of been grouped. Ronaldo carried Madrid more than Messi carried barcelona when they were both in la liga, no doubt - If you disagree you are idiotic to say the least as comparing the teams to look at 4 UCLs won while they were never the strongest team on paper and were carried in big moments by Ronaldo e.g Wolfsburg, Juventus, Man United, Bayern, Athletico The list goes on, Messi is a la liga merchant - On the UCL stage, the biggest in club football, he has a legacy which is outshone by Ronaldo's 10 fold.

Messi scored penalties and a lot of them, actual goals he didn't do much - He was not the POTT if you watched the games, Mbappe was so much better


Star studded, yes

But to compare that to the Barcelona side Messi played in is ridiculous. They were never the favourites in the UCL nor the league and countless times in the UCL ronaldo had to score 2 or 3 in the second leg to get them through - Ronaldo played in a great side, comparable with many top teams but Messi played in the best ever team with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, Dani Alves and then later with the best striker of the generation in Suarez. Messi has been blessed with having the strongest teams ever assembled around him, Ronaldo hasn't.


First of all how you wrote that makes you just look like a massive loser, like not even being ironic I just read that and think your a neek.

The most important stat in football is goals per game, how good are you at performing - Assists is a useless statistic that was barely looked at before Messi fans realised that the guy isn't as good at Ronaldo at what really matters.

Ronaldo had a higher goals to game in 2007, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21
Messi had a higher goals to game in 2009, 12, 18, 19, 20, 22

Bottler goes further than finals. look at ronaldo in big UCL knockout games in the RO16, QF, SF where he would often score 2 or 3 to take his side through - Messi could never come close to replicating that, he is often anonymous in those stages of a competition and after 2011 barely even got to the UCL final as he simply couldn't hang in the big moments - where was the guy against Roma in 2018? Liverpool in 2019? Juventus in 2017? Bayern in 2013? Bayern in 2021? When it mattered he was missing leading to his barcelona side, particularly after the best 3 midfielders in the world either fell off or left, being embarrased on the biggest stage with messi showing nothing.

Ronaldo is a big game player - Messi is a man who has the highest ever peak in 2012 but after that year failed to perform in the big moments and he is the man responsibile for taking Barcelona to Europa lea.gue regulars

Messi scores a tap in which should of been disallowed and a penalty which wasn't checked by VAR and the world shouts goat

Ronaldo does it and its a lucky goal and we should stop looking at what he is doing and instead talk about how many assists Messi has against Real Betis and Eibar this season

Apparently during the entire World Cup Messi was the best player which is fair. Mbappe is 23 and 12 years younger than Messi (about to turn 24).



He’ll be the best player of the current generation but probably won’t surpass or reach the greatness of Ronaldo or Messi. He needs to leave PSG first, even though winning the Champions League with them would be great for his legacy.

Did you watch Pele play to rank him as the GOAT? Not hating by the way but I don’t understand how people can rate players they have never watched play because they are too young or weren’t allowed to watch games beyond a certain time.

Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi. He was one of the top scorers in an average Man United team at the age of 36/37. He wasn’t fit for the tournament because he has hardly played for Man United. I’m pretty sure Messi didn’t even score double figure goals last season for PSG.

One of the best posts I have read here for a long time. Ronaldo always delivered in the most crucial moments throughout his career. Especially in the Champions League during his peak.

I think most of these posters missed these games because they had to go to bed because I don’t know why they are ignoring this.

Portugal struggled to produce any top players for about 20 years until Ronaldo arose. Remember he is the most clutch player of all time, like his hat trick against Spain in the World Cup 2018.

Were you an accountant in your previous occultation ? Stats don’t tell half the story.

There will be 100 more Messi’s in our lifetime, but never 1 more Ronaldo.

Messi has been fortunate to play in star-studded teams dominating the ball in Barcelona and PSG. He wouldn’t have done what Ronaldo did at Man United at the age of 36/37 in the Premier League at an average team with Fred and Mctominay as midfielders.

The Real Madrid team Ronaldo played in was definitely worse than Messi’s Barcelona. Kaka only spent a few years there and was a disappointment. Alonso was average and lost his place to a young Casemiro. Rodriguez and Di Maria were decent players. Modric and Kronos were good but can’t be compared to Xavi and Iniesta.

Messi has went missing on most big occasions apart from the 2022 World Cup. For example against Bayern Munich in the Champions League a few years ago, Liverpool in 2019, Roma in 2018, etc. There’s a reason why Messi has less Champions League than Ronaldo in 3 seasons than Messi has won during his entire career.

Mbappe is the best football player in the world right now. Forget about messi.

Messi is the GOAT of modern generation. Nobody, (and yes you can keep whining about robbed ballon d or and WC, as Ronaldo crybabies always do) comes close.
Pele similarly was the GOAT of the oldest generation of football.
Honestly it's messi or pele.
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. CR7
5. Cruyff

No Mbappé? (in terms or current footballers) I'm no fan of football though.

You think Mbappe is in the top 5 greatest footballers of all time ? He isn’t even in the top 30.

He can definitely make the list by the end of his career depending on what he does though. He can start off by leaving PSG, or guiding them to the Champions League. His international record is very good.

I have a feeling Mbappe might struggle in the Premier League a little more than let’s say Haaland though if he joined an English team. He will also likely tail off much sooner than Haaland since pace is one of his strongest attributes.

You think Mbappe is in the top 5 greatest footballers of all time ? He isn’t even in the top 30.

He can definitely make the list by the end of his career depending on what he does though. He can start off by leaving PSG, or guiding them to the Champions League. His international record is very good.

I have a feeling Mbappe might struggle in the Premier League a little more than let’s say Haaland though if he joined an English team. He will also likely tail off much sooner than Haaland since pace is one of his strongest attributes.

With Messi finally having won the only prize missing from his collection, has the debate been concluded?

863 club appearances with 706 goals. Played 195 for Argentina and 114 scored.

Club honours

Barcelona

Paris Saint-Germain


Argentina U20


Argentina U23


Argentina


Individual honours

[*]Ballon d'Or/FIFA Ballon d'Or: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2019, 2021
[*]FIFA World Player of the Year: 2009
[*]The Best FIFA Men's Player: 2019
[*]European Golden Shoe: 2009–10, 2011–12, 2012–13, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2018–19
[*]FIFA World Cup Golden Ball: 2014, 2022
[*]FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball: 2009, 2011
[*]Laureus World Sportsman of the Year: 2020
[*]La Liga Best Player: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13, 2014–15
[*]Pichichi Trophy: 2009−10, 2011–12, 2012−13, 2016–17, 2017−18, 2018–19, 2019–20, 2020–21

No Mbappé? (in terms or current footballers) I'm no fan of football though.

[*]Messi could be one of the bests in football history. But the Black Pearl is the one and only GOAT to me and he'll remain always.

In terms of current mbappe is top 5, even though his form has fallen since the WC

if you only include current footballer players maybe

[*]True. From what I have heard, he dominated his era like no one. That is why it's nearly impossible to compare messi, Maradona, Pele.
Each the GOAT of their generation.

These Ronaldo fangirls are so dumb ffs. The delusions.

1. You absolute clown, messi literally played for an average argentina side in all 3 world cups . And took them to finals in 2 of them.
And Ronaldo fans love to use the stupid logic that because portugal had no history, and Ronaldo won them 1st title, that he is better.
By that logic, Ronaldo played in madrid where he won his majority of ucl. While madrid already has a history of winning ucls season in season out.
While messi won 4 ucl with a barca team that has 5 in it's history. Does that make messi's ucl legacy greater than Ronaldo? What is this clowny logic?

And rigged world cup? How f...king shameless are you? Argentina recieved 5 penalties, out of which 4 were scored. Out of these, only 2 penalties would actually change the result of the final game.
Btw, which team was punished the most? Argnetina conceived 2 penalties in this competition, which is the highest. They also received most bookings, highest. Also, how do you rig 2 penalty shootouts?
Except the poland penalty, not a single one was unfair. They were soft, not unfair.
Netherlands continuously recieved free kicks at edge of box but that is fair cause it ain't argentina.
Ronaldo fangirls always do this clownhousery, until their turn comes up. What about the 2 offside goals of Ronaldo in UCL? What about unfair vidal red card? What about unfair penalty to madrid vs juventus? What about casemiro killing every bayern player on pitch and not even getting 1 red card?

Shameless fanbase.


2. Portugal has reached the semifinal of world cup twice. In both of those tournaments Ronaldo wasn't the team's main man.
Eusebio led his team to a WC semifinal scoring 8 goals, something Ronaldo can only dream of.
Yes portugal had no trophies before this era, but there is a reason why this era was considered the golden one for portugal.
Pepe, Nani, quaresma were very good players who played for portugal.
You bring up EURO 16, as if Ronaldo had a massive contribution? 3 goals and 2 assists, all coming against Hungary and Wales, none of them ranked in top 20 by FIFA. Ghosted in the big games vs france, croatia, poland.
Wasn't even rated as top 15 players in that tournament.
He literally has 0 goals in the finals of international tournament and has 0 international player of tournament While messi has 4 international player of tournament. 2 in world cups and 2 in Copa america.
Bums? Pretty much sums how much of a but and a clown you are.

And 6 penalties? Tf you smoking on lil bro?

And wasn't Ronaldo given 3 penalties in euro 2021? The main reason he won top goalscorer in that tournament was penalties, his first and last such award in a major international tournament .
And lemme remind you, portugal qualified in ro16 in euro 2016 based on a "formality" by uefa. They were 3rd in their group. So much for being unbiased.
Ffs.

3. Messi closer to neymar? Lmao the mental damage messi gave a certain fanbase after winning the WC is crazy.
System player has most goal contribution this season in club+ country. He has 35 g/a in 33 games in europe. More than your great mbappe, the young GOAT, and both play in the same league.
He has most assists this season tied with kdb, he has most big chances created, most dribbles this season. But yeah, system player.
And didn't system player win the WC while also winning 5 MOTM, and WC best player? And no, not because of penalties, but due to his world class performance beside them. Ever seen a game of football? Messi got 2 otherworldly assists vs 2 of the best youngsters in the world in quarters and semis.
Where was Ronaldo vs morocco? Missing 1v1 against bounou? Where was he against uruguay in 2018? Where was he against lyon, porto, Ajax? Scoring tap ins and ghosting 90 minutes?
Ronaldo WC career is getting bullied by other teams in the KOs. 0 WC KO goal contribution. Lol.

Messi left leg has more legacy than Ronaldo and his crybaby fanbase that shed tears and call any trophy messi wins as rigged.

The factors that define a footballer are:
1. Goalscoring : Tie(Statistically Messi is a better goalscorer. Better goal ratio, finishing efficiency, accuracy, free kicks , lesser big chnaces missed, more outside the box goals, more solo goals, better hattrick ratio and higher g-xg, which is the most important stat. Still, Ronaldo is more versatile as a goalscorer, and more complete due to his aerial prowess and shot power. So a tie is genuine)
2. Passing: Messi
3. Playmaking: Messi
4. Dribbling: Messi
5. Defending: (Messi has more presses/90, tackles/90, and in general contributes more defensively. Ronaldo does have more aerial duels, clearances, but messi still wins here)
6. Physical attributes: Ronaldo, no question(strength, jumping, speed etc etc)
7. Trophies: Except UCL, Messi leads Ronaldo everywhere in trophies. So Messi wins here
8. Leadership: Messi, he is literally a WC winning captain. No arguments here
9. Impact on team: Messi, he has more MOTM and his team tends to perform worse without him(barca won 0 matches in 8 fixtures when messi left. Madrid won UCL 4 years after ronaldo and united is killing it rn )
10. Big game player: Messi(Ronaldo has 0 g/a in the most important tournament knockout, while messi has 5 goals in this WC alone lol. Plus messi has more goals in finals and against top 2,3,4,5,6 teams in europe)
11. Adaptability: Ronaldo

So in general, messi wins.
Ronaldo is a legend, but he doesn't come near messi.
Now, please reply sensibly and don't use popularity and richness as a means of determining who is better ffs...






Ronaldo has been a striker since leaving 2015. He had to change his playstyle from winger to striker due to some knee issue. Proof can be seen through heatmaps.
Still messi has more goals fron 2015-23 even though messi has been a playmaker for past 5 years.
Ronaldo has played with legendary midfielders, defenders and gks throughout his career. Let's name a few:
Man Utd: Tevez, Rooney, scholes, park ji sung, Rio, vidic
Real madrid: Kaka, ozil, di maria, kroos, modric, casemiro, ramos, Marcelo, bale, benzema, courtois
Portugal: bruno, Nani, quaresma, pepe, Patricio, Carvalho

He also has most number of big chances missed in history. Ronaldo also played with ozil, who exceeded even messi in assist numbers in his prime. Also with di maria, who is assist king.

Messi has won an international treble outside Barcelona brother.1 WC, 1 CoPA america, 1 finallisma, 1 Olympic gold, 1 ligue 1(soon to be 2) considering he won most of this in only 2 seasons outside Barcelona, it's exceptional.

Penalties? Ronaldo 18% goals from penalties.
Messi 12% goals from penalty

Messi last 7 seasons 25 penalty goals and 27 free kick goals.
More fk than penalty since 2015.

Messi has more non penalty goals than Ronaldo as well.


I suggest you watch "Goodly Rogue Messi vs Ronaldo"
He uses indepth stats to analyze who is better and doesn't use hollow arguments like you. Have a good day.

Ronaldo is by far the most overrated player of this generation and yall clowns are the reason.

"Messi scores a tap in which should have been disallowed" 🤡🤡

The delusions are big on this one. Mental damage since the 18th December 2022.

Messi is the GOAT of modern generation. Nobody, (and yes you can keep whining about robbed ballon d or and WC, as Ronaldo crybabies always do) comes close.
Pele similarly was the GOAT of the oldest generation of football.
Honestly it's messi or pele.
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. CR7
5. Cruyff

[*]True. From what I have heard, he dominated his era like no one. That is why it's nearly impossible to compare messi, Maradona, Pele.
Each the GOAT of their generation.