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    (Original post by Gentilhomme)
    Above all the worst is how could you have anal sex between two men, thats just unthinkable.
    What about between a man and a woman?
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    (Original post by Gentilhomme)
    Think this way now:
    if everyone was homo then no one would reporduce then human will be instinct.
    if everyone was hetero then nearly everyone have kids as it has always been so human survive.
    Or, more probably:
    If everyone was homosexual then techniques of artificial insemination would be used to ensure the furtherance of the human race. Or people would perhaps have het sex just for the purposes of reproduction, whilst obviously not actually enjoying it.
    If everyone was heterosexual and all had multiple children, the world would become (more?) overpopulated, and things such as famine would increase.

    Luckily, neither of these is all that likely to happen. And your argument is absurd, because everyone is not homosexual and the likelihood of everyone in the entire world becoming it is so miniscule that it's not even worth thinking about.

    I think you'll find that a situation with some heterosexuals and some homosexuals (ie. the one we have at the moment, which you are arguing against seeing as 'ok' below) poses no threat to the survival of the species.
    I'm sure you'd find many more gay people wanting rights for the ones that exist than wanting to turn everyone gay.

    (Original post by Gentilhomme)
    the trend this days of saying everyone is free to do what pleases him is gowing very dangerous. first protitution was seen as ok, then now homosexuality is going to be seen as normal, then having sex with animals will be normalized, then it will be the turn for peodophilia to make its stand, who knows what will be next.
    That is possibly one of the worst 'slippery slope arguments' I've ever seen, and in virtue of it being such an argument I don't feel compelled to take it entirely seriously. However, I will make a couple of points:

    Homosexuality involves consensual sex between two adults, neither of who's rights are being violated. Paedophilia involves an almost certainly abusive sexual relationship in which one of the participants is too young to engage in sex and has not (-CAN NOT-) given consent.

    One could also make the point - sadly so often missed - that homosexuality is not purely about sex. Same sex couples can be just as much in love as hetero ones. (This obviously is not the case in the bestiality example that you give).

    (Original post by Gentilhomme)
    my point is, we as humans have a consciense to stand for social dicency and morality and are not like animals who follow their desires. If dicency and virtue are being left out for the name of freedom then cursed be freedom.
    What happens between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home is not an attack on social decency. You have yet to prove that homosexuality runs against morality. (- All you've done above is construct a flawed argument designed to prove that allowing it might lead to the legalisation of other things that are or could be considered to be immoral).

    (Original post by Gentilhomme)
    LOOK at any law, it ONLY exist to prevent self destruction of the population that abide by it. Therfore if our moral degradation permets us not to see that homosexuality is indeed the worst vice that could/will annihilate nations if they protect not themselves from it.
    I could name you a number of laws that don't aim to prevent self-destruction of the population :rolleyes:

    See above: homosexuality will not annihilate nations.

    (Original post by Gentilhomme)
    per example. a psychopath take plasure from killing people. if the people said it is not his fault that killing satisfies him but his genes, therfore he should be allowed to kill. at first psychopath are restricted to kill only each other and those the population wants to get rid of. after few decades there is no one for the psychs to kill so they decide to kill the inhabitant of the city thus destroy the city. Looking at this unlikely story objectively one comes to realises that it is the city's law that led to self destruction.
    this anecdote illustre well why homosexuality should not be an acceptable behaviour.
    This anecdote does nothing of the sort. Homosexuality does not kill people. If homosexuality is "allowed", then same sex people of legal age will be able to sleep with each other: nobody will die. It's an entirely disanalogous case - the comparison just makes no sense.

    (Original post by Gentilhomme)
    Above all the worst is how could you have anal sex between two men, thats just unthinkable.
    I rest my case
    No, it's unthinkable to you. Obviously, if it was in some way intrinsically or objectively unthinkable then nobody would be able to bring themselves to do it. Some homosexual people find heterosexual sex unthinkable, I might add. Oh and you don't need two men to have anal sex.

    Zarathustra.
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    I do find it ironic that Gentilhomme is being illiberal regarding homosexuality in the sense that if the populace of the country took this view and extended it to other areas, he would not be welcome on this island. Alternatively, if he doesn't like the situation here he can go back from whence he came.
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    i would gladly go back from whence i came but unfortunately for me going back means staying here in this land forsaken by morality but what i could do is go away
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    I thought you were foreign? Are you a Muslim too?
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    Whoa. I didn't realise people like Gentilhomme actually existed for real - I thought they were more like conceptual 'bogeymen'.

    Anyway, food for thought : I remember hearing on the radio that people who are fervantly anti-gay are the most likely to feel aroused by gay erotica. So perhaps the anti-gay types are in the closet to a certain extent?
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    (Original post by Alewhey)
    Anyway, food for thought : I remember hearing on the radio that people who are fervantly anti-gay are the most likely to feel aroused by gay erotica. So perhaps the anti-gay types are in the closet to a certain extent?
    Wouldn't surprise me with the homophobic men that I know that are aroused by lesbian porn.
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    The natural argument is fundamentally flawed itself and people who advocate this view do not adhere to the same reasoning in other scenarios.
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    Wouldn't surprise me with the homophobic men that I know that are aroused by lesbian porn.
    illogical isnt it.

    i often challenge people about it and they usually come off with something like "lesbians arent gay". i just call them idiots.
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    How can homosexuality be unnatural when it's not through choice. People don't choose their sexuality.
    i guess then hatered and killing is natural, no, i mean fundamental in human psychology. therfore we should allow people to kill one another, very good argument.
    if something is natural then it should be acceptable.
    So let me give you some behaviours which are natural and thus should be acceptable:
    -KILLING
    -RACISM. Given that everyone likes his kind more than others it should therfore be acceptable
    -SEXISM. " " " " " " " " "...
    -etc...

    I remember someone say that " Man build values in steps of centuries as in going up stairs but the fall happen in a lifetime"

    I see that that man has indeed said the truth, that within this last century we have seen but the fall of human values build in millenias
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    You CANNOT hate someone because they are different.
    er...yes you can.
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    You CANNOT hate someone because they are different.
    i dont hate them. if i see an homo i will act with him as i would with another person but i HATE what he has CHOSEN to do.
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    Wtf?!?! "I HATE what he has CHOSEN to do" - WHHHYYYY

    I will repeat again - homosexuality is not a choice, it's unavoidable - nobody really knows quite why people are gay. They just are. That's life. Get over it.

    It's not as if it has any impact on your life, why should you give a s*it. Get a life.
    you say its not a choice, then say nobody really knows why people are such. so whats it to be?
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    Sorry if I've missed something but could gentilhomme please intelligently justify his 'choice' theory?
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    Get over it.

    It's not as if it has any impact on your life, why should you give a s*it. Get a life.
    For once i agree with you that i shouldnt care. and maybe i will oneday get over it but for the moment i am expressing what i cant do it openly outside my mind.

    As for why i hate the action of homosexuality I know that man in genral is attracted to what has been refused to him. So in my mind It is VERY clear that this action is wrong, As i am a very very good and helpful person i only tried to warn people of this unamable(not sure if this is a word) action. Well i guess it is just me being very conservative of my own value and forcing others to see my way which is but natural but nevertheless isnt right for me to do.
    As i said earlier a natural action isnt always acceptable.

    Dont think that i gave up and accepted homo.. as acceptable
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    As for why i hate the action of homosexuality I know that man in genral is attracted to what has been refused to him. So in my mind It is VERY clear that this action is wrong, As i am a very very good and helpful person i only tried to warn people of this unamable(not sure if this is a word) action. Well i guess it is just me being very conservative of my own value and forcing others to see my way which is but natural but nevertheless isnt right for me to do.
    As i said earlier a natural action isnt always acceptable.
    I apologise but again I fail to see any intelligent arguments within this paragraph.
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    your assertion that natural actions aren't always acceptable can be applied to heterosexuality then, surely?!
    Hence the existence of heterophobia (which i have NOT made up)

    Just because society and history has taught that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural
    Indeed. History has only taught it for a certian amount of time. In Greek times, there was no distinguishing between sexuality and homosexuality was open and not persecuted.

    It is really nobody else's business
    It is our business. Our business to be open and honest and critical of ******** opinions that leads to the persecution of minorities. Our business to do our research before we open ignorant mouths.
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    I dont think it is just history that contribute to the hate toward this action but also religion and other factors which i dont know
    But one think is true homosexuality is a chioce my reason to believe so will be explained but first clarify my this if i understand you are saying that omo.. is genetic thus it is contained in the gene of MAN.
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    I was on ur side mate.
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    Answer this
    IS homo.. in the genes of people?
 
 
 
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