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Add that to the fact that you aren't actually forced into visualising anyone, gay or straight, having sex and the argument becomes even more flawed.
according to a #pse teacher i used to have 1/5 gay men don't have anal sex anyway.
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the damn straight comment wasnt meant to be ironic, but in retrospect, i'm quite funny without realising it , lol *now i really am taking the p*ss*
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You know a survery showed that a large percentage of french women have has anal sex. And I'd bet a good proportion of the mindless homophobes would certainly have anal sex with the girlfriend.
Never knew about the French.

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Its a rubbish reason to hate homosexuals.
And don't forget that also these individuals do become titilated by lesbian porn. I've noticed that this thread had assumed men, when the thread starter did not make any such biases.
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Never knew about the French.



And don't forget that also these individuals do become titilated by lesbian porn. I've noticed that this thread had assumed men, when the thread starter did not make any such biases.
it is more accepted?

you know that show queer eye for the straight guy (fab 5) have you ever been thinking that it wouldn't work to make that show with lesbians?

i don't have anything against homosexuals, but sometimes i wonder how it could be like this. i mean humans must have some kind of natural instinct to reproduce, (or at least we used to have now days many people choose not to have children) something they can't do if they are with someone of the same gender.
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it is more accepted?
What is more accepted?

(Original post by _EMMA_)
you know that show queer eye for the straight guy (fab 5) have you ever been thinking that it wouldn't work to make that show with lesbians?
Possibly, though it's not my type of show.

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i mean humans must have some kind of natural instinct to reproduce, (or at least we used to have now days many people choose not to have children) something they can't do if they are with someone of the same gender.
This is often used to argue against homosexuality, but is rebutted with plenty of other examples. Such as abortion, oral and anal sex to completion between heterosexual people, use of condoms, masturbation, IVF treatment, adoption for infetertile people, and the fact that research has concluded that homsexuality does exist in the rest of the animal kingdom.
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In my personal opinion homophobia is disgusting, but I wanna know what you all think, do I have the right to hate it? What do you think?
All opinions are valid surely? They might not make much sense but that doesn't make them invalid. If it did that would mean that some people's opinions are more valid than others which opens up a rather large can of worms.
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All opinions are valid surely? They might not make much sense but that doesn't make them invalid. If it did that would mean that some people's opinions are more valid than others which opens up a rather large can of worms.
Of course some opinions are more valid than others. I might have delusions of ability regarding physics despite never having studied it but noone would seriously accept that any opinion expressed by myself on the subject would have the same validity as anything said by Hawking.
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The very name of this threads is, uh, kind of skewed. Homophobia, by definition, is a hatred of gays, which is obviously mindless prejudice. However, one can have reservations without being a homophobe. Consider the difference between threads named 'Sexism: is it always wrong?' and 'Women in the SAS: should they be allowed?' I could say that women shouldn't be allowed in the SAS without being sexist; similarly, one could have reservations about gay people without being a homophobe.

For example, think of gay couples having children. There are plenty of well-justified arguments both for and against, and one could argue against them being allowed to raise kids without being a homophobe. If you're asking if it's okay to have reservations like that, then yes, I'd say it is; if you're asking if it's okay to run around saying 'o noes the gay men are coming!!!' then it's clearly not.
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Of course some opinions are more valid than others. I might have delusions of ability regarding physics despite never having studied it but noone would seriously accept that any opinion expressed by myself on the subject would have the same validity as anything said by Hawking.
Well, you're talking about "learned opinion" Obviously Lord Denning's opinion on contract law was more valid than mine.

But here we're talking more about "common all garden" opinion. Anyway, I could see how this debate could become very tedious so let's not bother.
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The very name of this threads is, uh, kind of skewed. Homophobia, by definition, is a hatred of gays, which is obviously mindless prejudice. However, one can have reservations without being a homophobe. Consider the difference between threads named 'Sexism: is it always wrong?' and 'Women in the SAS: should they be allowed?' I could say that women shouldn't be allowed in the SAS without being sexist; similarly, one could have reservations about gay people without being a homophobe.

For example, think of gay couples having children. There are plenty of well-justified arguments both for and against, and one could argue against them being allowed to raise kids without being a homophobe. If you're asking if it's okay to have reservations like that, then yes, I'd say it is; if you're asking if it's okay to run around saying 'o noes the gay men are coming!!!' then it's clearly not.
I thought a phobia was a fear of something. Hence homophobia must be a fear of gays. What kind of person is scared of gays? :rolleyes: *sniggers quietly to himself*
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Of course it's a valid opinion. To dismiss it as one simply because we disagree with it would be prejudiced in itself, which would be rather hypocritical!
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I thought a phobia was a fear of something. Hence homophobia must be a fear of gays. What kind of person is scared of gays? :rolleyes: *sniggers quietly to himself*
THEY'RE AFTER ME! :eek:
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THEY'RE AFTER ME! :eek:
Watch out or those "queer eye for the striaght guy" fella's will come around, critisize you clothes, and re-arrange your furniture. Be afraid, be very afraid.
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Of course it's a valid opinion. To dismiss it as one simply because we disagree with it would be prejudiced in itself, which would be rather hypocritical!
I think what is meant by "valid opinion" is that it requires some rational reasoning behind it.

Homosexuals are gay.
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Homosexuals are gay.
A wiser word was never spoken.
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Oh and to answer the question.

How can it possibly be a "valid opinion" to be scared of someone because of their sexuality?
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I think what is meant by "valid opinion" is that it requires some rational reasoning behind it.

Homosexuals are gay.
Duh.
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Homosexuals are gay.
No ****?
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Oh and to answer the question.

How can it possibly be a "valid opinion" to be scared of someone because of their sexuality?
Example 1 of 36,764,124,263:

You were raped by one.

Example 2 of 36,764,124,263:

You were abused by one as a child:

Examp....

Of course there are valid reasons. However, this is beside the point. Look up "phobia" in the dictionary-

pho·bi·a (fō'bē-)
n.
A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.

By definition to have a "phobia" of something you don't even NEED a "rational" or "valid" reason for it- infact in most cases you won't. Many people are afraid of spiders for example, but at the same time realise they are small harmless creatures of no threat to them - but this certainly doesn't make their fear or opinion "invalid" or "unacceptable"!

Likewise, to dismiss it as "mindless prejudice against spiders" would be both utterly stupid and (as I said previously) prejudiced in itself.

Anyway, I feel like I'm echoing myself from several previous arguments. I have work to do.
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Oh and to answer the question.

How can it possibly be a "valid opinion" to be scared of someone because of their sexuality?
It's valid because it's an opinion and all opinions (well, at least most everyday one's) are fairly subjective. Let's not confuse validity with rationality.
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