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link between attractiveness and academic intelligence

Ive Seen this in an article i read. What are your thoughts?
Personally,
I think extremely attractive people are usually less ACADEMICALLY intelligent. as in school intelligent.
I could go into massive detail as to why I think this but I want to hear your opinions too!!
I wouldn’t consider myself extremely attractive, but I feel as though those who are extremely attractive are pulled into ‘those’ groups.
Thoughts?

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id say it varies massively tbh like I know at least 3 people my age (17-18) who are very smart and also attractive whereas im probs average looking but smarter than I am attractive (if I had to guess) - plus attractiveness is massively subjective and actually being intelligent can make someone seem more attractive anyway sometimes
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Original post by izzy4509x
id say it varies massively tbh like I know at least 3 people my age (17-18) who are very smart and also attractive whereas im probs average looking but smarter than I am attractive (if I had to guess) - plus attractiveness is massively subjective and actually being intelligent can make someone seem more attractive anyway sometimes

Same for me.
I feel like I’m more smarter than I am attractive.
idk personally I feel like prettier people will be invited to more parties and talk to more people and so they’re less connected to work.
But I also agree with you, I know quite a few pretty and also intelligent people!
Original post by Anonymous
Same for me.
I feel like I’m more smarter than I am attractive.
idk personally I feel like prettier people will be invited to more parties and talk to more people and so they’re less connected to work.
But I also agree with you, I know quite a few pretty and also intelligent people!


yeah I mean the logic makes sense haha but ofc ultimately it varies
I'd love to see a link to this article.
Original post by Anonymous
Ive Seen this in an article i read. What are your thoughts?
Personally,
I think extremely attractive people are usually less ACADEMICALLY intelligent. as in school intelligent.
I could go into massive detail as to why I think this but I want to hear your opinions too!!
I wouldn’t consider myself extremely attractive, but I feel as though those who are extremely attractive are pulled into ‘those’ groups.
Thoughts?

There have been studies that linked attractiveness to intelligence, as shown in https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201012/beautiful-people-really-are-more-intelligent and https://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/i2011.pdf

This has been scientifically proven.
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When my school friends went on a trip to Oxford University, the thing they were most impressed with was how attractive the people studying there were. Can't comment having personally never been there, but that is genuinely the first thing they said when they came back.
Original post by Anonymous
Ive Seen this in an article i read. What are your thoughts?
Personally,
I think extremely attractive people are usually less ACADEMICALLY intelligent. as in school intelligent.
I could go into massive detail as to why I think this but I want to hear your opinions too!!
I wouldn’t consider myself extremely attractive, but I feel as though those who are extremely attractive are pulled into ‘those’ groups.
Thoughts?


I've moved your thread to a more suitable place in the forums. Please check where you post in future. These are all the available forums here on TSR - https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forum.php :smile:

It would be useful if you linked the article in question.

My personal theory is that they may feel that people only rate them on their attractiveness and they're tired of being essentially objectified and treated as though their only value is their looks. So by working hard academically, they can also grow a sense of value through intelligence and knowledge, so that they're not treated as one dimensional.
(Thanks for the link to the studies.)

They're interesting and do show a correlation between perceived attractiveness and intelligence. It notes that it doesn't know what causes that correlation, but it suggests a few possibilities, (I won't recount them here!). One possible issue with the studies is that teachers were assessing the attractiveness of fairly young children. Looking aside how that's a bit weird, it might not necessarily correspond to them being attractive adults. But made for interesting reading nonetheless.
Original post by Admit-One
(Thanks for the link to the studies.)

They're interesting and do show a correlation between perceived attractiveness and intelligence. It notes that it doesn't know what causes that correlation, but it suggests a few possibilities, (I won't recount them here!). One possible issue with the studies is that teachers were assessing the attractiveness of fairly young children. Looking aside how that's a bit weird, it might not necessarily correspond to them being attractive adults. But made for interesting reading nonetheless.

I agree. Maybe the more attractive children had better nutrition, and intelligent people tend to take better care of themselves. These could contribute to the correlation.

Alternatively, the genetics related to intelligence might also be related to attractiveness somehow. Last but not least, halo effect (although we can see it's probably not the only factor)
Ignoring the fact that attractiveness is subjective, I would argue that people who can afford to spend money on clothes, make up or whatever can also spend more on education
Original post by Anonymous
Ive Seen this in an article i read. What are your thoughts?
Personally,
I think extremely attractive people are usually less ACADEMICALLY intelligent. as in school intelligent.
I could go into massive detail as to why I think this but I want to hear your opinions too!!
I wouldn’t consider myself extremely attractive, but I feel as though those who are extremely attractive are pulled into ‘those’ groups.
Thoughts?


I would say there is no clear correlation between attractiveness and academic ability but there are a lot of noise factors to consider.

Attractive bias exists so there are situations where somebody who is attractive will get better marks than somebody who isn't even though they produced the same quality of work - question is how often does that happen and to what extent (say, 0.5% difference is negligent but 5% difference is significant).

Attractive people are likely to be healthier looking at both the genetic side of things and what we perceive as attractive (e.g. athletic build). Therefore, somebody who is attractive could have a genetic advantage as well in terms of intelligence.

Attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder... it's a cliche but it's true. People are attracted to different kind of features etc and whilst there is definitely some overlap between different demographics (age, race, gender) it would be hard to strictly classify somebody.

How do we quantify attractiveness? Are people just ugly or attractive in the binary sense? Is there a scale? What is the distribution, is it a bell curve or is the distribution non-normal?

If we take "attractive" for the hollywood kind of standard, then the people who meet the criteria make up a super tiny percentage of the population so the sample size immediately skews the study.

Are we looking at "intelligence" or "academic performance"? Because there is a bit difference. There are people out there who have the brains for academic achievement but choose not to pursue it (for whatever reason). There are also people with some form of academic merit who are not necessarily "smart" in other ways including common sense. This will also vary depending at what country and level of study we're looking at. There are many people who are good at taking tests but don't understand the material and don't know how to apply it outside of their little practice questions. Differences between countries would also be significant - I've heard that US students tend to struggle in UK academic environment (this obviously wouldn't apply to everyone but I've heard a lot of stories).

Also there could be a nature vs nurture side of argument to consider too - if people who are attractive receive better treatment then there would receive more engagement and encouragement as kids so they might not be naturally gifted but perform better due to external circumstances. On the other hand, they would face other types of challenges like people discouraging them from pursuing academia or for women a very high rate of sexual harassment which in turn ruins mental health and leads to academic underperformance.

Then there are the socio-economic circumstances. Say, parents come from money - kids get to have personal tutors, gym memberships, plastic surgery, dieticians, chefs etc boosting both their academic performance.


But overall, from my experience it's definitely untrue that attractive people are less "academically intelligent".
Original post by Guru Jason
Ignoring the fact that attractiveness is subjective, I would argue that people who can afford to spend money on clothes, make up or whatever can also spend more on education

Nah, attractiveness is relatively objective.
Original post by Mara1680
I would say there is no clear correlation between attractiveness and academic ability but there are a lot of noise factors to consider.

Attractive bias exists so there are situations where somebody who is attractive will get better marks than somebody who isn't even though they produced the same quality of work - question is how often does that happen and to what extent (say, 0.5% difference is negligent but 5% difference is significant).

Attractive people are likely to be healthier looking at both the genetic side of things and what we perceive as attractive (e.g. athletic build). Therefore, somebody who is attractive could have a genetic advantage as well in terms of intelligence.

Attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder... it's a cliche but it's true. People are attracted to different kind of features etc and whilst there is definitely some overlap between different demographics (age, race, gender) it would be hard to strictly classify somebody.

How do we quantify attractiveness? Are people just ugly or attractive in the binary sense? Is there a scale? What is the distribution, is it a bell curve or is the distribution non-normal?

If we take "attractive" for the hollywood kind of standard, then the people who meet the criteria make up a super tiny percentage of the population so the sample size immediately skews the study.

Are we looking at "intelligence" or "academic performance"? Because there is a bit difference. There are people out there who have the brains for academic achievement but choose not to pursue it (for whatever reason). There are also people with some form of academic merit who are not necessarily "smart" in other ways including common sense. This will also vary depending at what country and level of study we're looking at. There are many people who are good at taking tests but don't understand the material and don't know how to apply it outside of their little practice questions. Differences between countries would also be significant - I've heard that US students tend to struggle in UK academic environment (this obviously wouldn't apply to everyone but I've heard a lot of stories).

Also there could be a nature vs nurture side of argument to consider too - if people who are attractive receive better treatment then there would receive more engagement and encouragement as kids so they might not be naturally gifted but perform better due to external circumstances. On the other hand, they would face other types of challenges like people discouraging them from pursuing academia or for women a very high rate of sexual harassment which in turn ruins mental health and leads to academic underperformance.

Then there are the socio-economic circumstances. Say, parents come from money - kids get to have personal tutors, gym memberships, plastic surgery, dieticians, chefs etc boosting both their academic performance.


But overall, from my experience it's definitely untrue that attractive people are less "academically intelligent".

Look at what I've linked.

As there are many genes and environmental factors linked to attractiveness, mostly random (although more attractive people may tend to have better environmental factors, thus skewing right, and vice versa)... we can approximate the distribution as normal distribution... although with fat tails.

Attractiveness is mostly objective, as shown in psychological studies.

For "intelligence" we are talking about intelligence. There is the g-factor, that's used for intelligence (as the general intelligence factor). This is the basis of IQ tests.
I've known plenty that are intelligent and attractive.

Although my 'type' naturally excludes things like botox injections, lip surgery, implants, excessive makeup (to the extent where you can't recognise the person without it) etc. None of that is "attractive" to me, and I generally correlate those sorts of things with relatively low intelligence actually.

So it depends a little what you find attractive in the first place.
I dunno maybe attractive people are better able to apply makeup.
Original post by justlearning1469
Nah, attractiveness is relatively objective.


Tf you smoking? There is literally no objective scale for attractivenessand is 100% personal preference. You're talking *******s.
Original post by Guru Jason
Tf you smoking? There is literally no objective scale for attractivenessand is 100% personal preference. You're talking *******s.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/what-makes-someone-objectively-beautiful/ suggest it isn't just "personal preference".

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/it-s-man-s-and-woman-s-world/201403/is-beauty-in-the-eye-the-beholder suggests although there is an element of subjectivity, there is a significant objective component.
Original post by justlearning1469
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/what-makes-someone-objectively-beautiful/ suggest it isn't just "personal preference".

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/it-s-man-s-and-woman-s-world/201403/is-beauty-in-the-eye-the-beholder suggests although there is an element of subjectivity, there is a significant objective component.

Despite the questionably dubious links as the first isn't even an academic article but an opinion piece

And the second while more academic still only poses theories.

Neither of these articles provide an objective scale to measure attractiveness. Like I said, *******s.
Original post by justlearning1469
Nah, attractiveness is relatively objective.

Look at what I've linked.

As there are many genes and environmental factors linked to attractiveness, mostly random (although more attractive people may tend to have better environmental factors, thus skewing right, and vice versa)... we can approximate the distribution as normal distribution... although with fat tails.

Attractiveness is mostly objective, as shown in psychological studies.

For "intelligence" we are talking about intelligence. There is the g-factor, that's used for intelligence (as the general intelligence factor). This is the basis of IQ tests.

The study you linked states that the researcher doesn't control for race which was a big chunk of my point about attractiveness being subjective and variability by country. If had people of different races, ideally mono-cultural from non-white countries, rating the attractiveness the study would have a whole lot more credibility in my opinion. We struggle to correctly analyze facial feature of people outside of the race we interact with commonly (hence people from multi-cultural countries are likely better at foreigner facial recognition - e.g. if a kid grows up around white people only, all black people will look "the same"; if a kid grows up around black people only, all east asians will "the same". ) And you've got people being socialised into finding some things more attractive than others depending on culture, upbringing etc (the curvy vs skinny vs athletic for women is a good example). This is where I think the "attractiveness is objective" theory falls apart.

Also whilst the sample size and 2-country study are both great, you can see that in the US which is less homogenous the correlation is significantly weaker so you can't just assume the same results are applicable internationally.

There are aspects that are probably found attractive by everyone internationally, outside of some anomalies - e.g. symmetrical facial features.

Although I do appreciate that the researcher attempted to control the social status and health. And once again, the researcher also mentioned the halo effect which very much could be skewing the results.

The of course is the question of the effect of variables on the perceived score (e.g. two people of hypothetically similar attractiveness level but with different clothes, hairstyle, tan, fat to muscle ratio etc.)

On the other hand, I do agree with the point about genetic and environmental factors which I have also mentioned in my initial comment.

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