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mehh, may I ask do you come from HK? If not suggest u stop being so...erm...dunno whats the word for it. Your comment on HK people not knowing about Imperial, please dun make me laugh...Thats all my comment for u, u dun deserve for me to argue over..

ok vigo, sorry for taking the bad side of viewing things, sorry for accusing u I thought u was taking the micky, but hey, it turns out u just wanted peace lol~ But hey, see, there are people like *Ahem* who obviously is egocentric and dun know that LSE dun even do medicine or any science. So ha...vigo be friends~ lol
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Racist?I was just laughing at the argument that King's is internationally known just because some people know it in HK.
Erm, thats the idea of international reputation...that people know it...in other countries.

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I would have said the same even if it was tokyo or paris or cairo
So, where exactly does one try to gauge an international opinion? Swindon?

I thought the opinion of foreigners would be the best way to get an idea of an institutions foreign reputation. Clearly not! :rolleyes:
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Guys we are talking about a place where UT (University of Toroto) is better known than GImperial. Most ppl in HK have never heard of GImperial, EVER...but they've heard of UT which doesn't even make it onto the top 10 in the international list on the Times list. There isn't any one quick fast way to gauge how 'internationally renown' a university is (unless its some really crappy university like some unknown university say...uni C or uni O for instance [I am not bitter]...)
TBH ppl in Hong Kong really don't have a clue about British Universities past what the Times Edu Stupliment says and ....uni C and uni O.....grrrrr.....
Don't be so bloody offensive.

HK is one of the major financial centres of the world. I think they may know a thing or two about international graduate markets, don't you? It is the opinions in these sorts of places that form the prestige of universities.
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Don't be so bloody offensive.

HK is one of the major financial centres of the world. I think they may know a thing or two about international graduate markets, don't you? It is the opinions in these sorts of places that form the prestige of universities.
yep yep, agree with u kingslaw lol~ Also, given the amount of students who attend oversea universities from hk, I'm sure people do notice UK universities as well as US, Austrilia, Canada, Japan, Singapore, and of coz China Mainland. Though might not be fully awared of all, but at least the few Top unis in their area of interest.

felt like being offensive back to him...
"Meeh, and its people like u which make Top schools have bad reputation due to student's arrogance, ignorance of other's existance, and have such poorly education on politeness. "

Sorry, no offense to Imperial guys in general, I respect those who respect other people, thats all! (and therefore I offend those who offend others :P )
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If you don't mind me asking a fairly basic question, how are degrees awarded by the London colleges? I know they're all London degrees in name, but does that mean that everyone sits the same exam in the same subject? So, for example, if you were studying for a BA in Classics at King's, you'd take the same final exam as someone studying for a BA in Classics at UCL?
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If you don't mind me asking a fairly basic question, how are degrees awarded by the London colleges? I know they're all London degrees in name, but does that mean that everyone sits the same exam in the same subject? So, for example, if you were studying for a BA in Classics at King's, you'd take the same final exam as someone studying for a BA in Classics at UCL?
You won't sit the same exam as the other UoL colleges. Each college writes and marks their own exams. But, given the fact that UoL is put on every degree, I think they try to maintain a fairly similar standard for most subjects (to an extent).
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You won't sit the same exam as the other UoL colleges. Each college writes and marks their own exams. But, given the fact that UoL is put on every degree, I think they try to maintain a fairly similar standard for most subjects (to an extent).
They share moderators for standards so they should be similiar.
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If you don't mind me asking a fairly basic question, how are degrees awarded by the London colleges? I know they're all London degrees in name, but does that mean that everyone sits the same exam in the same subject? So, for example, if you were studying for a BA in Classics at King's, you'd take the same final exam as someone studying for a BA in Classics at UCL?
No, each of the London universities have different and separate internal examinations - even for the same subjects.
However, I have been led to believe that some examinations are sometimes marked by the same group of moderators, however I cannot say im certain about that, it might differ depending on the subject.
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They share moderators for standards so they should be similiar.
I'm not sure if they all share the same moderators. For example, in Law, if London Met are sharing the same moderators as LSE, then it is quite obvious who's going to lose out, considering very few London Met student will be able to reach the 2:1 standard of an LSE student. London Met will have practically no 2:1 and above students, which would practically kill them in PR.

Like I say, I don't know. It's just an observation.
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Ah right. Thanks for clearing that up.
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War Studies
Do you know anyone doing war studies? Are they proper nuts?
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I'm not sure if they all share the same moderators. For example, in Law, if London Met are sharing the same moderators as LSE, then it is quite obvious who's going to lose out, considering very few London Met student will be able to reach the 2:1 standard of an LSE student. London Met will have practically no 2:1 and above students, which would practically kill them in PR.

Like I say, I don't know. It's just an observation.
London Met isnt part of the university of london.
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Do you know anyone doing war studies? Are they proper nuts?
Im just curious, why would you think ppl who do War Studies are nuts ???
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London Met isnt part of the university of london.
Oh right. Apologies. But you get what I mean. The lesser UoL colleges are losing out as their stats will look less impressive compared to other uni's of a similar status.
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I think the testosterone has finally settled.

I asked if there was any rivalry between the London unis and I received 3 pages of b!tching.

Question answered emphatically.
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Im just curious, why would you think ppl who do War Studies are nuts ???
Because I went to a lecture given by the head of war studies in King's and he was a little... enthusiastic about the prospect of countries blowing one another to smithereens!
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Don't be so bloody offensive.

HK is one of the major financial centres of the world. I think they may know a thing or two about international graduate markets, don't you? It is the opinions in these sorts of places that form the prestige of universities.
Its also a place where I heard plenty of ppl that my brother had to talk to (owing to the fact that right now he lives there and the fact that both me and him were erm...born there...which gives me a rather unique insight into Hong Kong) had to be told what and where LSE is and what it stands for [resorting to the alleged alumni George Soros]. Which I felt sad about. It is also a sad fact that in Hong Kong League tables are pretty much all that parents really give a damn about. Seeing kids under pressure to perform in primary school because they are at the bottom of 'Band 1' primary school and could lose that privalage quite easily or some kid beating themselves up for being 'thick' and going to a 'Band 5' school really does something to you.
Hong Kong educationally is quite messed up. It is in fact a sad fact that in end of year tests there are questions on subjects that are simply not part of the curiculem rather the students are expected to have learnt the extra curicula stuff via a tutor or simular.
So forgive me if I have a rather unique outlook on what I think of the people of Hong Kong. I've lived as (and possibly with) them longer than you probably have.

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*Ahem* who obviously is egocentric and dun know that LSE dun even do medicine or any science.
Erm having had a brother in a certain institution I do in fact realise that LSE does not offer courses in Science, Technology or Medicine. Which is somewhat my point, we have no real overlap to base any rivally on, except our maths, which both our colleges/schools are basically a school for at the end of the day. Most courses they offer are of the form "Economics and..." or "Economics with...." The final sentence "who cares about social science anyways" is more of a social science/science joke where arts students dismiss social science as a science and science students dismiss it as an art...But anyways...There is a reason for UT being more well known that IC, its simple but illogical. Most chinese families that imigrated out of Hong Kong tended to do so towards the shores of Canada rather than UK. This meant that most families lack the resources to send their kid off to the UK, unless they worked for the government or soemthing, which meant they had citizenship et cetra. This meant that the majority of good graduates heading to Hong Kong came from Canada, purely from a numbers point of view. Which of course skewed the sample which ultimately means that there is somewhat of a bias in opinion. Which makes Hong Kong an unfair indicator.
Besides there are graduates in Hong Kong sweeping the roads. I remember an interview where a HKU graduate related a memory where a mother told his kid that he had to work hard at school or he ended up like the HKU graduate...sweeping the road side....
NB HKU is not a poor university internationally wise, nor locally...
NB The not sure about medicine is an in joke of the quality of our medics, they are proper scary....
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Its also a place where I heard plenty of ppl that my brother had to talk to (owing to the fact that right now he lives there and the fact that both me and him were erm...born there...which gives me a rather unique insight into Hong Kong) had to be told what and where LSE is and what it stands for [resorting to the alleged alumni George Soros]. Which I felt sad about. It is also a sad fact that in Hong Kong League tables are pretty much all that parents really give a damn about. Seeing kids under pressure to perform in primary school because they are at the bottom of 'Band 1' primary school and could lose that privalage quite easily or some kid beating themselves up for being 'thick' and going to a 'Band 5' school really does something to you.
Hong Kong educationally is quite messed up. It is in fact a sad fact that in end of year tests there are questions on subjects that are simply not part of the curiculem rather the students are expected to have learnt the extra curicula stuff via a tutor or simular.
So forgive me if I have a rather unique outlook on what I think of the people of Hong Kong. I've lived as (and possibly with) them longer than you probably have...
That might be the case in HK, but mainland China itself (the majority) rate LSE second to oxbridge because as you allready mentioned, in China league tables are very respected as thats the only insight into the UK. In light of this, the World League tables (THES) puts LSE 4th in Europe hence why LSE is so prestigious. (more so than UCL, Kings etc.)

If one has not heard of LSE they have not heard of Imperial or UCL. In addition, Economics is it's specialist course but unlike what you were suggesting it is not the most dominat course. Its second in the world for social science, and social science includes (Eco, Law, Business, Politics, etc.) as well as 10th in the world for (Humanities) so to imply LSE is only reknowned for Eco with other courses being micky mouse is naive.

Btw, I am a Chinese, but grew up in England.
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With so much debate about university recognition in HK I thought I'd chip in. As my username suggests I live in Hong Kong right now, and have studied here all the way from Primary 1 all the way to Year 13. What Mehh said is partly true in that more people do know University of Toronto than LSE/Imperial/UCL which is rather sad. (Hell, more people in Hong Kong have heard of stuff like University of Bristish Columbia than anything in the UK apart from oxbridge.) However that is only a reflection upon the fact that more HK students end up going to Canada because they weren't good enough to get a competitive place in the UK anyways.

In my view what 'your employer' thinks is more important than what the 'general public' think. And trust me, if you are going to a 'decent scale' financial firm (or better yet, an international one) in Hong Kong, then the employers do know what LSE/UCL is. If you go for an engineering job in a large firm (or for the Hong Kong government, then they too will recognise the prestige of Imperial.) Graduating from 'Economics/Law' or whatever in LSE/UCL/etc is definatly seen as superior to graduating in the same subject in Hong Kong University/Chinese university. (hk's preimier university)

Then again...there are the small firms that have employers who have never bothered to look/think of anything outside hong kong. And for these employers (tend to be pretty crap anyhow) they would need you to tell them what UCL and the like stand for...

(not that you'd really want to be working for a small firm with little international exposure if you graduated from one of UK's, and one of the world's finest unis)

Edit: and I also think Kings is more renowned than the other uni it is being compared with...but thats only my 10 cents
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Its a shame, but unfortunately its not. A university's reputation is more based on its historical background, previous discoveries, alumini, and most of all, its RESOURCES. The reason why most American universities are in the top of the league tables is because many of them have vast amount of resources that other universities dont have.

The reason why its not fair to compare RH with Kings based on petty ratings and rankings, which change every year, is because you end up ignoring the more important features of the university such as the discovery of DNA, the leading research Kings is doing on stem cells etc. Also the links the university has had with top notch academics such as James Clarks Maxwell (famous phyisist), Charles Wheatsone (introduced the Wheatstone Bridge) , Maurice Wilikins & Rosalind Franklin (discovered the structure of DNA) and even Flourence Nightingale (she founded the nursing the school). Plus many many more!

You cant just ignore the university's history and discoveries over some ratings! (and even in the ratings apart from one, Kings is much higher than RH - I am not going to list them again) Im afraid reputation comes from much more than that. So again im sorry but I have still to be convinced about RH being in the same league as Kings!

VERY GOOD POINT
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