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why is there no sympathy for men?

I'm thinking about the Tate case and I remember when it was first announced that he had been scamming people, nobody really paid any attention to who his "victims" were.

They weren't even seen as victims. Everyone was talking about how some girls were trafficked. But I don't recall reading a single word about those men who were lead on and scammed.

I have been lonely and I sympathise more than most.

But even if you aren't, why isn't there more outrage about the fact that there were dozens of "girls" telling lonely men around the world that they loved them, that they were gonna marry them, that they meant the world to them, etc etc. just to get them to pay them sums of money? often these men were not wealthy and gave everything they had just because they thought they and those women had something "special".

Nobody talks about this so I did...

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Reply 1
honestly(as a girl) i understand u. ive been thinking about how much society looks down on men nowadays. ive also realised the more rights women want the less beneficial it is for them and to be honest i feel men are actually losing alot of rights.the suicide rate of men is much more compared to women. im not saying women dont deserve rights but i dont agree with the term"men and women should have equal rights". just recently i was thinking of how in the ie titanic they were prioritising womens life over men not to mention when it comes to war its the men that have to risk their lives. i just feel women are never content with what they have. (btw just to make myself clear im not implying every woman is like this before i start getting a bunch of hate )
In the Tate thread in News and Current Affairs, I consistently stated Tate targets young, gullible men with his products because there are YouTube videos of people assessing the courses from the likes of Hustler's University. The consistent conclusion is they are garbage superficial self-help nonsense. Impressionable men buy them because they fall for the belief that they'll become the "alpha male" with the Bugatti who bangs a different woman each night.

The problem is once such men start to adopt Tate's shallow materialism and misogynistic worldview, you'll find people very quickly lose sympathy.
Reply 3
Original post by Anonymous
I'm thinking about the Tate case and I remember when it was first announced that he had been scamming people, nobody really paid any attention to who his "victims" were.

They weren't even seen as victims. Everyone was talking about how some girls were trafficked. But I don't recall reading a single word about those men who were lead on and scammed.

I have been lonely and I sympathise more than most.

But even if you aren't, why isn't there more outrage about the fact that there were dozens of "girls" telling lonely men around the world that they loved them, that they were gonna marry them, that they meant the world to them, etc etc. just to get them to pay them sums of money? often these men were not wealthy and gave everything they had just because they thought they and those women had something "special".

Nobody talks about this so I did...


Lonely men? They weren't horny men then?

Just lonely, pathetic 'men'.

If you're lonely then get some mates, join a bridge club or get involved in your local non league team. Get a job and chat to your coworkers.

But you don't actually mean lonely do you? That's just a term to elicit sympathy. You mean you're horny.
Reply 4
Original post by Quady
Lonely men? They weren't horny men then?

Just lonely, pathetic 'men'.

If you're lonely then get some mates, join a bridge club or get involved in your local non league team. Get a job and chat to your coworkers.

But you don't actually mean lonely do you? That's just a term to elicit sympathy. You mean you're horny.

No I mean lonely and desperate men. Apparently quite a few of them gave away their entire life savings because they thought they had something special with these women. They wouldn't presumably give everything away for sex, escorts are much cheaper if that's what they wanted. It's the emotional intimacy and closeness these women created by pretending to care for their personal life, telling them how much they missed them etc.

Surely, no matter how shallow you are in your thinking, you can understand the difference. It won't make you feel good about yourself nearly as much as it did typing this BS you typed but it makes more sense.
Reply 5
Original post by Anonymous
I'm thinking about the Tate case and I remember when it was first announced that he had been scamming people, nobody really paid any attention to who his "victims" were.

They weren't even seen as victims. Everyone was talking about how some girls were trafficked. But I don't recall reading a single word about those men who were lead on and scammed.

I have been lonely and I sympathise more than most.

But even if you aren't, why isn't there more outrage about the fact that there were dozens of "girls" telling lonely men around the world that they loved them, that they were gonna marry them, that they meant the world to them, etc etc. just to get them to pay them sums of money? often these men were not wealthy and gave everything they had just because they thought they and those women had something "special".

Nobody talks about this so I did...


Why should some men get sympathy especially Andrew Tate
Reply 6
Original post by Crazed cat lady
In the Tate thread in News and Current Affairs, I consistently stated Tate targets young, gullible men with his products because there are YouTube videos of people assessing the courses from the likes of Hustler's University. The consistent conclusion is they are garbage superficial self-help nonsense. Impressionable men buy them because they fall for the belief that they'll become the "alpha male" with the Bugatti who bangs a different woman each night.

The problem is once such men start to adopt Tate's shallow materialism and misogynistic worldview, you'll find people very quickly lose sympathy.

I'm talking about the responsibility these women have that nobody talks about. They're not blameless . They played this game, texted these men hundreds of times, telling them they "missed them", pretending to care for their problems, telling them they were in love with them, etc etc. Nobody has said anything about them as if Tate did it all by himself.
Reply 7
Original post by Anonymous
No I mean lonely and desperate men. Apparently quite a few of them gave away their entire life savings because they thought they had something special with these women. They wouldn't presumably give everything away for sex, escorts are much cheaper if that's what they wanted. It's the emotional intimacy and closeness these women created by pretending to care for their personal life, telling them how much they missed them etc.

Surely, no matter how shallow you are in your thinking, you can understand the difference. It won't make you feel good about yourself nearly as much as it did typing this BS you typed but it makes more sense.


Desperate, sure. But they aren't lonely.

Are they giving away their life savings away to men and boys?

If not why not, why only women and girls if its just loneliness rather than anything sexual?
Reply 8
Original post by Meme girl
Why should some men get sympathy especially Andrew Tate

Nowhere did I say that Tate deserves sympathy. He's a sociopathic piece of ****. What I did say was that he gets all the hate while all these girls working in the background don't even get a mention.
Reply 9
Original post by Anonymous
I'm talking about the responsibility these women have that nobody talks about. They're not blameless . They played this game, texted these men hundreds of times, telling them they "missed them", pretending to care for their problems, telling them they were in love with them, etc etc. Nobody has said anything about them as if Tate did it all by himself.


And some limp guys were hoodwinked by the easiest scam in the book...

Edit
Can't believe I'm even bothering to reply to someone hiding behind 'anon'.
(edited 11 months ago)
Original post by Anonymous
No I mean lonely and desperate men. Apparently quite a few of them gave away their entire life savings because they thought they had something special with these women. They wouldn't presumably give everything away for sex, escorts are much cheaper if that's what they wanted. It's the emotional intimacy and closeness these women created by pretending to care for their personal life, telling them how much they missed them etc.

Surely, no matter how shallow you are in your thinking, you can understand the difference. It won't make you feel good about yourself nearly as much as it did typing this BS you typed but it makes more sense.


Any man who gives away his life saving to a cam girl he became infatuated with is clearly a moron.
Reply 11
Original post by Anonymous
Nowhere did I say that Tate deserves sympathy. He's a sociopathic piece of ****. What I did say was that he gets all the hate while all these girls working in the background don't even get a mention.


Sounds like you are bashing women
Reply 12
Original post by Meme girl
Sounds like you are bashing women

No. Anyone who thinks this behaviour is okay is a scumbag. Men or women. But people do blame Tate and do call him a scam artist. Nothing about these girls tho.
Reply 13
Original post by Anonymous
No. Anyone who thinks this behaviour is okay is a scumbag. Men or women. But people do blame Tate and do call him a scam artist. Nothing about these girls tho.


Maybe they were forced
At the start apparently Tristan Tate did have some sympathy.
Even going as far as contacting a customer who had been trying to give away his lifesavings to a camgirl to let him know that she was an employee who was not in any financial trouble and did not need his savings.

Then when the idiot stopped talking to her and offered to give the same amount of money to another camgirl at a different business, Tristan Tate decided that a fool and his money are so easily parted that he would allow her & every other camgirl to "take" every cent/penny/dime/dinar that was offered to them by gullible/infatuated/kink obsessed walking wallets or extremely generous paypigs.
(edited 11 months ago)
Reply 15
Original post by Wonder Potato
Any man who gives away his life saving to a cam girl he became infatuated with is clearly a moron.


Yup.

This.

On, no. They are 'lonely'

Defo not horny...
I have relatively little sympathy for most people that are a part of these kinds of 'ecosystems'. The few that I've known personally, weren't remarkable people whatsoever.

The kinds of men who think that they can "buy women" with money, will not tend to be the kinds of men that value women for anything else than their tits and ar.se. Similar principles apply to the kinds of women who in whatever shape of form "demand" money in exchange for their time (in context of relationships/sex). This could be your typical prostitute, or it could be some entitled snot on a dating app expecting that men kiss her feet and pay her bills and for meals on their dates.

Likes attract.

There will be some exceptions, but they're exceptions. Some people are incapable of forming relationships the 'conventional way', so resorting to these sorts of methods is one of their few options, and they do not necessarily enter the scene with malicious intent or the kind of veiled contempt for the other gender that often goes hand-in-hand with objectifying other people. They instead do it with full mutual awareness and consent.
(edited 10 months ago)
Reply 17
Original post by Quady
Desperate, sure. But they aren't lonely.

Are they giving away their life savings away to men and boys?

If not why not, why only women and girls if its just loneliness rather than anything sexual?


This type of harmful, disgusting generalization is precisely what's driving male sucide rates up, and what fuels the whole incels "community", just so you know. Being starved for love, affection and intimacy isn't remotely comparable to "horniness" that you and your elk so happily like to attribute to any male who never felt loved, supported or appreciated by anyone, and never experienced basic compassion and physiologically (as well as psychologically) needed human touch. Or are you going to act like it's perfectly normal to be able to get a hug from your coworker and cry on your "bridge club mate"'s shoulder???

I'm sure you can't even imagine what it's like to have never held hands with anyone and have never been hugged by anyone other than your parents, who stopped showing you any affection in your early teens.
Reply 18
Original post by OSaV_
This type of harmful, disgusting generalization is precisely what's driving male sucide rates up, and what fuels the whole incels "community", just so you know. Being starved for love, affection and intimacy isn't remotely comparable to "horniness" that you and your elk so happily like to attribute to any male who never felt loved, supported or appreciated by anyone, and never experienced basic compassion and physiologically (as well as psychologically) needed human touch. Or are you going to act like it's perfectly normal to be able to get a hug from your coworker and cry on your "bridge club mate"'s shoulder???

I'm sure you can't even imagine what it's like to have never held hands with anyone and have never been hugged by anyone other than your parents, who stopped showing you any affection in your early teens.


You didn't read the content I was quoting did you...?

It wasn't a generalisation (note the spelling), it was a specific response to a specific post.

Has male suicide risen...? Or is that just a statement you've thrown out there for emotive effect, hoping nobody would call it out as fake news?

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Reply 19
Original post by Quady
You didn't read the content I was quoting did you...?

It wasn't a generalisation (note the spelling), it was a specific response to a specific post.


Original post by Anonymous
They wouldn't presumably give everything away for sex, escorts are much cheaper if that's what they wanted. It's the emotional intimacy and closeness these women created by pretending to care for their personal life, telling them how much they missed them etc.


For a callous smartass, it looks to me like you're the one who didn't read the content before you quoted it.

Instead of addressing the point he made, you proceeded to make a crude (and cruel, given the context) generalization (note the spelling, and educate yourself on the Oxford standard while at it, since you don't seem to be the sort to accept non-British spelling variants ostensibly), dismissing his point entirely.

I admit that I fell to the misinformation in regards to the statistical trend, but I stand by everything else I said.

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