re applying after being kicked out.

Just don't mention about the plagerism thing obviously.

This girls chances of gaining a place at a top uni are not low whatsoever. To justify the gap between her A levels and her reapplication, she could say that she dropped out of her initial degree because it wasn't right for her or that she needed to earn some money due to financial circumstances. The plagerism issue is private and she need not declare it, unless she has a criminal record because of it.

One of my distant family friends (I'd never met him) was thrown out of Oxford (Magdalen College) for getting 70% on a Maths test. This is fact I'm not bullshitting. The College were dissatisfied with his and another persons progress and effort so they made them sit a test. They both scored sufficiently highly but were kicked out. The distant family friend of mine is now at Cambridge, but his friend hung himself. Although ive never met this person, it makes me angry just writing this post.

One of my distant family friends (I'd never met him) was thrown out of Oxford (Magdalen College) for getting 70% on a Maths test. This is fact I'm not bullshitting. The College were dissatisfied with his and another persons progress and effort so they made them sit a test. They both scored sufficiently highly but were kicked out. The distant family friend of mine is now at Cambridge, but his friend hung himself. Although ive never met this person, it makes me angry just writing this post.

This girls chances of gaining a place at a top uni are not low whatsoever. To justify the gap between her A levels and her reapplication, she could say that she dropped out of her initial degree because it wasn't right for her or that she needed to earn some money due to financial circumstances. The plagerism issue is private and she need not declare it, unless she has a criminal record because of it.

One of my distant family friends (I'd never met him) was thrown out of Oxford (Magdalen College) for getting 70% on a Maths test. This is fact I'm not bullshitting. The College were dissatisfied with his and another persons progress and effort so they made them sit a test. They both scored sufficiently highly but were kicked out. The distant family friend of mine is now at Cambridge, but his friend hung himself. Although ive never met this person, it makes me angry just writing this post.

not that this is much to do with the original post re. plagerism.. but felt i had to respond.



although the circumstances here sound undoubtedly tragic. (& i'm no doubt being defensive partly out of loyalty) you're angry because they were sent down from a college? it happens every year to significant numbers of people & as with your family friend, the majority successfully transfer elsewhere AFAIK.

the 70% sounds harsh.. but it's a penal mark.. it happens to a few people in prelims or collections if they haven't been working hard enough & the 'acceptable pass mark' is decided by senior tutors, irregardless of the university pass mark or a 50% average. it's their right to do this. & it wouldn't happen to someone without numerous informal warnings (we get feedback in every tute ~2 times per week or more!) & probably some formal ones too at the cases' committee.

the factors in a suicide i should think are normally numerous. although there perhaps may be a trigger, i couldn't see how the college was in any way responsible for that? & the pastoral care in Oxford nowadays (i'm not sure of the time you're referring to), Magdalen especially is excellent.

I am so sorry to hear that. Thanks for your reply.
The fact that she does not have to declare the plagiarism is very good news for my friend. Are you def sure that is the case as I will let her know?
I think she is a changed person, she was the 1st to go to uni out of her whole family and was under a lot of pressure. I no its not a excuse but I think she has learnt her lesson.
She wants to apply for 2005 entry, she is 21 so is a mature candidate. However I know she wants to enter straight into the second year, on a different course (was doing English, now wants to do politics). How should she go about applying?

Thnaks

If she wants to enter into second year she will need to contact the university she wants to apply to directly and see what their policy would be - it will depend greatly on how compatible the course at her previous university was with the one she wants to go to now. Can I ask what university it was, and where she's thinking of applying now?

If she was applying through UCAS like direct school-leavers for a first year place she would certainly not have to declare why she left university...although it would be a bit of a lie to put that she just didn't feel the course was right, but that's up to her. If she wants to go into second year it will make it much more complicated.

i write in small letters when my comments aren't directly relevant to the main thread & i had quite a bit to say on the particular tangent..tis me trying to be considerate but maybe i shouldn't bother.

..I guess you could say that the sort of people who get Oxbridge offers are the types who are more likely to be susceptible to depression, because (yes, I know, generalising and stereotyping here...) they often tend to be slightly more eccentric types, sometimes with quite intense personalities?

i'd be inclined to go for the correlation approach myself. given the majority of people who become depressed here (or suffer from other mental disorders), i imagine, have had previous periods of it in their life & a tendency to become that way. admittedly the intensity of work might act as a trigger in some..but given that we're not all depressed it's not causal per se.

fair enough, doesn't make sense to me, but.. though given you earlier said of the college: 'I can't believe they're allowed to do something like that.' was it their fault? should oxbridge be given lots more funding so they can give places to everyone who applied in the first place lest they become suicidal..?