The Arsenal Thread XXVI
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Original post by bj27
Courtois as well for top keepers (so funny I been saying he's a better keeper than de gea for years)
Ah of course, he's still one of the very best!
Bit of a nasty streak to him too which a lot of the top keepers seem to have, well 50/50 balance
You have the classy GKs in Seaman/Cech/VDS/Buffon/Allison
Then you have the ******s/borderline insane in Courtois/Neuer/Schmeichel/Lehmann
If I had to rank GKs right now, I'd have Courtois basically #1 tbf. He's the kind of GK you just trust to deliver both the big saves AND the standard 50/50s. Top GKs have no weaknesses, Ramsdale has quite a few.
Original post by AR_95
De Gea had some unreal seasons and was undoubtedly the best keeper if not one of, in the world for a few of them.. Maybe not across the span of his career however
Not for me. Too many weaknesses.
Penalties, crosses mainly
Never a big fan of wily GKs. For me a goalkeeper needs to first "fill" the goal. The likes of Cech/Neuer/Oblak come to mind as guys you just expect to dominate in all areas.
One of the reasons I was never sold on Szczesny. Never seemed to be dominant like other bigger GKs. Flapping at crosses etc is not the one.
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Original post by Tom.Ford
Thoughts on Arteta going for David Raya? Unreal business imo, most necessary signing, the GK position is where we need the biggest upgrade. He will be undisputed no.1 in time for me.
£40mil on a back-up goalkeeper after £60mil on Kai Havertz as a back-up.
I think Arteta spent his time under Guardiola learning how to be a cheque book manager. Wenger will be turning over in his grave.
Original post by Zürich
Ah of course, he's still one of the very best!
Bit of a nasty streak to him too which a lot of the top keepers seem to have, well 50/50 balance
You have the classy GKs in Seaman/Cech/VDS/Buffon/Allison
Then you have the ******s/borderline insane in Courtois/Neuer/Schmeichel/Lehmann
If I had to rank GKs right now, I'd have Courtois basically #1 tbf. He's the kind of GK you just trust to deliver both the big saves AND the standard 50/50s. Top GKs have no weaknesses, Ramsdale has quite a few.
Bit of a nasty streak to him too which a lot of the top keepers seem to have, well 50/50 balance
You have the classy GKs in Seaman/Cech/VDS/Buffon/Allison
Then you have the ******s/borderline insane in Courtois/Neuer/Schmeichel/Lehmann
If I had to rank GKs right now, I'd have Courtois basically #1 tbf. He's the kind of GK you just trust to deliver both the big saves AND the standard 50/50s. Top GKs have no weaknesses, Ramsdale has quite a few.
Should've kept Emiliano Martínez
Original post by Zürich
Not for me. Too many weaknesses.
Penalties, crosses mainly
Never a big fan of wily GKs. For me a goalkeeper needs to first "fill" the goal. The likes of Cech/Neuer/Oblak come to mind as guys you just expect to dominate in all areas.
One of the reasons I was never sold on Szczesny. Never seemed to be dominant like other bigger GKs. Flapping at crosses etc is not the one.
Penalties, crosses mainly
Never a big fan of wily GKs. For me a goalkeeper needs to first "fill" the goal. The likes of Cech/Neuer/Oblak come to mind as guys you just expect to dominate in all areas.
One of the reasons I was never sold on Szczesny. Never seemed to be dominant like other bigger GKs. Flapping at crosses etc is not the one.
Yeah agree. People will try to post stats but every corner I see kepa on I **** myself but Courtois would catch everything and start a counter attack.
Original post by Mess.
Has everyone seen Edu showing Timber the blacked out PL trophy saying that we can make it shiny this year 
You try to shake off the banter club image but it just feels you back in.
You try to shake off the banter club image but it just feels you back in.
yeah getting a club dog and naming it 'win' when we were bottling the league is one of the cringiest things i've seen in football
this club is all PR
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Original post by Zerforax
Should've kept Emiliano Martínez
Yes we should have. Although, at the time £20m seemed a great deal for someone who at age 28, had played maybe 40 top flight games in his career....
Original post by Zürich
Yes we should have. Although, at the time £20m seemed a great deal for someone who at age 28, had played maybe 40 top flight games in his career....
Villa could see the world cup winning quality.
Original post by Zürich
Yes we should have. Although, at the time £20m seemed a great deal for someone who at age 28, had played maybe 40 top flight games in his career....
Personally could see from the second Martinez came in he was quality and I don't get the point of selling leno to get ramsdale in when you kept leno over Martinez.
I don't think ramsdale is that bad a keeper though.
It's a waste of time swapping him for Raya, just buying for buyings sake.
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Original post by bj27
Personally could see from the second Martinez came in he was quality and I don't get the point of selling leno to get ramsdale in when you kept leno over Martinez.
I don't think ramsdale is that bad a keeper though.
It's a waste of time swapping him for Raya, just buying for buyings sake.
I don't think ramsdale is that bad a keeper though.
It's a waste of time swapping him for Raya, just buying for buyings sake.
You can also see that Martinez is a bit of **** too so I can see why top clubs would bin him off.
Original post by bj27
Personally could see from the second Martinez came in he was quality and I don't get the point of selling leno to get ramsdale in when you kept leno over Martinez.
I don't think ramsdale is that bad a keeper though.
It's a waste of time swapping him for Raya, just buying for buyings sake.
I don't think ramsdale is that bad a keeper though.
It's a waste of time swapping him for Raya, just buying for buyings sake.
Yes he did look good but I couldnt shake the thought "where has he been his whole career is he;s so good?". I guess some players just bloom very late!
Leno was a great shot stopper tbf. If you combined Leno's shot stopping with Ramsdale you'd have a great GK...
Ramsdale is OK, I would have him like 7th/8th in the PL to be brutally honest. He's similar enough to the likes of Fabianski. Do teams win titles with that level? I dont think they do to be brutal.
Raya is not an upgrade. As said, keep powder dry and then go for the next Courtoisw whenever he emerges.
Ederson has the same problem though, exceptional ball playing keeper like Raya but you don't look at him as opposition and feel the intimidation factor.
That is why Alisson and prime DDG were just that far ahead, it just seemed impossible at times to score past them. Keepers still have to be exceptional shot stoppers even if the game has evolved beyond being just that. Raya is too small to be really good defensively, 6ft only, I'd worry for us with corners etc.
For me, I still think we made a huge mistake in dismissing Martinez. He is 6ft5, good shot stopper, great at saving penalties, good distribution. He is very well rounded is what I am saying, there are no glaring weakensses to his game or mental profile. If we paid the money to Villa he'd probably come back, but Arteta seems to burn the bridge and have no interest in repairing it. He is wasted at Villa, really is. The reason why his career didn't pick up at Arsenal is because his game was ahead of its time, at a time when Wenger's conception of the game had become outdated. He's a victim of circumstances.
That is why Alisson and prime DDG were just that far ahead, it just seemed impossible at times to score past them. Keepers still have to be exceptional shot stoppers even if the game has evolved beyond being just that. Raya is too small to be really good defensively, 6ft only, I'd worry for us with corners etc.
For me, I still think we made a huge mistake in dismissing Martinez. He is 6ft5, good shot stopper, great at saving penalties, good distribution. He is very well rounded is what I am saying, there are no glaring weakensses to his game or mental profile. If we paid the money to Villa he'd probably come back, but Arteta seems to burn the bridge and have no interest in repairing it. He is wasted at Villa, really is. The reason why his career didn't pick up at Arsenal is because his game was ahead of its time, at a time when Wenger's conception of the game had become outdated. He's a victim of circumstances.
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Original post by Tom.Ford
Ederson has the same problem though, exceptional ball playing keeper like Raya but you don't look at him as opposition and feel the intimidation factor.
That is why Alisson and prime DDG were just that far ahead, it just seemed impossible at times to score past them. Keepers still have to be exceptional shot stoppers even if the game has evolved beyond being just that. Raya is too small to be really good defensively, 6ft only, I'd worry for us with corners etc.
For me, I still think we made a huge mistake in dismissing Martinez. He is 6ft5, good shot stopper, great at saving penalties, good distribution. He is very well rounded is what I am saying, there are no glaring weakensses to his game or mental profile. If we paid the money to Villa he'd probably come back, but Arteta seems to burn the bridge and have no interest in repairing it. He is wasted at Villa, really is. The reason why his career didn't pick up at Arsenal is because his game was ahead of its time, at a time when Wenger's conception of the game had become outdated. He's a victim of circumstances.
That is why Alisson and prime DDG were just that far ahead, it just seemed impossible at times to score past them. Keepers still have to be exceptional shot stoppers even if the game has evolved beyond being just that. Raya is too small to be really good defensively, 6ft only, I'd worry for us with corners etc.
For me, I still think we made a huge mistake in dismissing Martinez. He is 6ft5, good shot stopper, great at saving penalties, good distribution. He is very well rounded is what I am saying, there are no glaring weakensses to his game or mental profile. If we paid the money to Villa he'd probably come back, but Arteta seems to burn the bridge and have no interest in repairing it. He is wasted at Villa, really is. The reason why his career didn't pick up at Arsenal is because his game was ahead of its time, at a time when Wenger's conception of the game had become outdated. He's a victim of circumstances.
Martinez is a very traditional keeper? He wouldnt have looked out of place in 2005/1995/1985? And hes in danger of becomming overrated, he has weaknesses that are apparent if you watch him. Much weaker on his left hand side. But yes we miss him now...madness keeping Leno over him.
Also, at no stage did I ever think it was "impossible at times to score past" DDG. He is arguably the most overrated GK of all time, up there with Casillas.
The GK that sticks out in my mind as having the projection of "impossible to beat" is Petr Cech. And his peak lasted a long long time, 2005-2013. However, by the time we got him he was simply old. Guess Chelsea knew it too and ruthlessly replaced with with Courtois. Who is btw, my #1 GK in the world right now.
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One season of a second place finish and we get this.
https://twitter.com/Lu_Class_/status/1687096730456887297
We are a massive brand in terms of how marketable we are.
Shirt and training shirt sponsor matching Real Madrid's figures, exceeding Liverpool's and Utd's. Only City's will be higher (and we all know their books are cooked).
https://twitter.com/Lu_Class_/status/1687096730456887297
We are a massive brand in terms of how marketable we are.
Shirt and training shirt sponsor matching Real Madrid's figures, exceeding Liverpool's and Utd's. Only City's will be higher (and we all know their books are cooked).
Original post by Zürich
Martinez is a very traditional keeper? He wouldnt have looked out of place in 2005/1995/1985? And hes in danger of becomming overrated, he has weaknesses that are apparent if you watch him. Much weaker on his left hand side. But yes we miss him now...madness keeping Leno over him.
Also, at no stage did I ever think it was "impossible at times to score past" DDG. He is arguably the most overrated GK of all time, up there with Casillas.
The GK that sticks out in my mind as having the projection of "impossible to beat" is Petr Cech. And his peak lasted a long long time, 2005-2013.
Also, at no stage did I ever think it was "impossible at times to score past" DDG. He is arguably the most overrated GK of all time, up there with Casillas.
The GK that sticks out in my mind as having the projection of "impossible to beat" is Petr Cech. And his peak lasted a long long time, 2005-2013.
Martinez has enough ball playing ability to play out the back, not to the insane level of Raya but he is still as good as Ramsdale in that respect. He's a much more calming influence to the back line, Ramsdale is kind of erratic and has mental lapses.
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Original post by Zürich
Martinez is a very traditional keeper? He wouldnt have looked out of place in 2005/1995/1985? And hes in danger of becomming overrated, he has weaknesses that are apparent if you watch him. Much weaker on his left hand side. But yes we miss him now...madness keeping Leno over him.
Also, at no stage did I ever think it was "impossible at times to score past" DDG. He is arguably the most overrated GK of all time, up there with Casillas.
The GK that sticks out in my mind as having the projection of "impossible to beat" is Petr Cech. And his peak lasted a long long time, 2005-2013. However, by the time we got him he was simply old. Guess Chelsea knew it too and ruthlessly replaced with with Courtois. Who is btw, my #1 GK in the world right now.
Also, at no stage did I ever think it was "impossible at times to score past" DDG. He is arguably the most overrated GK of all time, up there with Casillas.
The GK that sticks out in my mind as having the projection of "impossible to beat" is Petr Cech. And his peak lasted a long long time, 2005-2013. However, by the time we got him he was simply old. Guess Chelsea knew it too and ruthlessly replaced with with Courtois. Who is btw, my #1 GK in the world right now.
Zurich with the good take.
When I saw Courtois Vs real Madrid in 12/13 Copa del Rey I knew.
DDG always seemed overrated to me.
Original post by bj27
Zurich with the good take.
When I saw Courtois Vs real Madrid in 12/13 Copa del Rey I knew.
DDG always seemed overrated to me.
When I saw Courtois Vs real Madrid in 12/13 Copa del Rey I knew.
DDG always seemed overrated to me.
De Gea was basically a Spanish Shay Given.
Incredible reactions but terrible if he had to move more than 2 yards off his line.
Ederson at City is another who needs putting under surveilance. Cant say for sure that he's a fraud as hes not really under enough pressure to judge him. Put him in goal for Luton Town this year though...
in b4 "yOu CaNt JuDgE pLaYeRs LiKe tHaT"
Yes you can. Put Courtois in goal for Luton Town and theyd see a meaningful reduction in goals conceeded. Why cant we judge GKs like that?
in b4 "yOu CaNt JuDgE pLaYeRs LiKe tHaT"
Yes you can. Put Courtois in goal for Luton Town and theyd see a meaningful reduction in goals conceeded. Why cant we judge GKs like that?
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