How long should a couple be going out before having sex?

1. I didn't mention other societies: canard.
2. I'm not a social determinist, so that doesn't wash; (and, of course, that is no argument against my point, which is essentially that society as constituted in this respect is wrong, and should be changed).
3. I have no objection to the erastos system.
4. The pornstars argument is a canard, although, ironically, it confirms my argument; it is nothing to do with psychological or emotional maturity, or the imagined degrading effects of pornography, but social judgment.

i just tend to think you are actually doing that. finding the most obscure way to say something so the actual meaning (if there was one) isnt there. if you have a point, keep it just that - to the point. dont bubble wrap it fancy lingo, or else the majority of what you try to say will be lost on most people.

also...hopefully you'll learn to read the thread in its entirity

Any basis for that?

What an irony, other societies have lower age limits for consent, and lower rates of teenaged pregnancy; surely, if one were being logical about this, one would concede that perhaps social factors, and not the law, were the issue.

Give me strength.

Those emotions are derived from social judgment. Honestly, do you think that we just feel because we do? Those emotions are totally dependent on the people around us.
You seriously need more life experience and to maybe use your brain more. Think a bit more of the content, and less on the form kiddo... I've seen very few messages by you that have any pertinence in them whatsoever.

Most people see 16 as the min limit to have sex for teenager etc

You know that people under that age will have sex, but not around 11/12 etc

Im just saying if you have no limit there will be a hell of a lot more 11/12 yr olds haveing kids.

Emotions -- social judgment: that was my point.

The rest of your argument: "lah lah lah, I can't hear you". Especially like the condescending 'kiddo': classy touch.

Maybe people who go into porn are predisposed to commit suicide anyway rather than the porn that causes it.

Why? You're still not answering my question. Do you honestly think people get horny and then think, "oh what a shame I'm 14, i'll just wait a few years"?

Why? You're still not answering my question. Do you honestly think people get horny and then think, "oh what a shame I'm 14, i'll just wait a few years"?

As I said, get over it.

Hasn't helen told you yet?

Most prostitutes and adult entertainers were abused at a young age. From experience, most of the girls I know who sleep around excessively have emotional instability, don't come from a happy family... I still have yet to meet a girl who sleeps around with no feelings, who hasn't had emotional issues in the past.
And people say that it's possible to have sex without any feelings? Keep on kidding yourselves. Feelings are always there. They just take a different form sometimes.

that has nothing whatsoever to do with either the age of consent or consensual sex under the age of 16.

and don't think I missed that, either!

the law recognises that 16 is an age where decisions involving sex are likey to have a more significant basis than that of a younger person. whether or not people adhere to the law isn't indicative of the reasons for its establishment. on what basis to you suggest it doesn't deter some people from being taken advantage of? statutory rape, i'm sure, is a valid deterrent for many over-16s considering pre-16 sex.



of course people don't become more 'psychologically equipped' because of the existence of a law, they become so because of adolescent biology. IMO, the law serves to recognise the completion of such. the issue discussed isn't a matter of recognising compliance with the law, but realising why 16 is an important average figure.

really? any supporting evidence, or did you forget the crucial words "i think"?

really? any supporting evidence, or did you forget the crucial words "i think"?

1. I'm rather reminded of one of those annoying paradoxes of Zeno, in which the only conclusion is that a particular state of affairs is a 'continuum', admitting of no divisibility. It is apparent that consent to sexual intercourse is just such a state of affairs; any limitation of time is arbitrary, and strictly speaking, unjustifiable with respect to other times. Cf. my post about age limits.
2. You've suggested no reason why sixteen is an important average figure.
3. If everyone ignores a law without the slightest qualm, it at least raises the possibility we should question the worth of the law; cf. my other posts.