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*shrug* It's just hard to care about 2 weeks of work exp, no matter what other issues PwC have.
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Original post by StriderHort
*shrug* It's just hard to care about 2 weeks of work exp, no matter what other issues PwC have.


It may be hard to care for you, but being cheated out of that opportunity and told no after a gruesome application process for some nepo baby, is beyond the pale and demoralising.
Original post by LegalTom
It may be hard to care for you, but being cheated out of that opportunity and told no after a gruesome application process for some nepo baby, is beyond the pale and demoralising.

Not being funny, but is it really beyond the pale? I'd feel different if we were talking about a job or supposedly elected position or something, but I just can't get excited over 2 weeks unpaid work exp, what gruesome application process are other people going through for this opportunity?

Steven Barclay is the UK Health Secretary - off the top of my head I see that as a far more pressing issue of cronyism.
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Original post by StriderHort
Not being funny, but is it really beyond the pale? I'd feel different if we were talking about a job or supposedly elected position or something, but I just can't get excited over 2 weeks unpaid work exp, what gruesome application process are other people going through for this opportunity?

Steven Barclay is the UK Health Secretary - off the top of my head I see that as a far more pressing issue of cronyism.

I’m not asking you or anyone to care, but highlighting the reality of what hardworking students have to face asides from healthy competition, they also have to compete with queue jumpers - and it’s attitudes like yours that keep such practices going. You have the nerves to complain about Stephen Barclay: it’s the same running principle of corruption (cronyism or nepotism) small or big, politics or internship, paid or unpaid, big scandal or small scandal!!!!!!
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Original post by LegalTom
I’m not asking you or anyone to care, but highlighting the reality of what hardworking students have to face asides from healthy competition, they also have to compete with queue jumpers - and it’s attitudes like yours that keep such practices going. You have the nerves to complain about Stephen Barclay: it’s the same running principle of corruption (cronyism or nepotism) small or big, politics or internship, paid or unpaid, big scandal or small scandal!!!!!!


No need to have a fit about it. I didn't say it's right, I said it's kinda trivial for me sitting in the UK and you'll struggle to convince me that 2 weeks unpaid work really matters on the other side of the world. Can you elaborate on this gruesome application process for 2 weeks unpaid work and why it matters so much? do you want to do it? :confused:

Steven Barclay is in a position where his choices and total lack of competent experience affect peoples lives, someone doing 2 weeks unpaid work exp isn't in charge of anything however no matter how they got the opportunity. I also feel governments have different obligations to me than PwC does.
The question here is what evidence there is to support the idea it was undeserved given its an unpaid internet ship.

Is the OP suggesting that the child failed to gain a position and then had 'daddy' help him.

In the real world, this is how things work though. I was promoted at my last job in part because I was regularly top for KPI's but also no doubt because my nose was so brown that it was like Rudolf's beacon.

Nepotism will never end whether it's in employment or any group setting simply because most humans are not capable of taking all bias out of a decision.
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Original post by LegalTom

Isn’t this the same principle as affirmative action in relation to the erosion of meritocracy?


Yes, but did you really expect anything else?

The most vocal advocates of meritocracy are often those who don’t believe it applies to them, be it nepotism, private schools, etc.
Original post by LegalTom
I’m not asking you or anyone to care, but highlighting the reality of what hardworking students have to face asides from healthy competition, they also have to compete with queue jumpers - and it’s attitudes like yours that keep such practices going. You have the nerves to complain about Stephen Barclay: it’s the same running principle of corruption (cronyism or nepotism) small or big, politics or internship, paid or unpaid, big scandal or small scandal!!!!!!

I agree that nepotism is wrong but, let's face it, this particular case is hardly a big deal. There are far worse cases of nepotism that have real consequeces for a huge number of people (particularly in politics).

Someone's son getting an easy, unpaid and inconsequential intership at a finance company (probably to just do data entry and make people coffee) is hardly going to change much.
Original post by LegalTom
It may be hard to care for you, but being cheated out of that opportunity and told no after a gruesome application process for some nepo baby, is beyond the pale and demoralising.


But what gives you the idea that he “took the place” of a more deserving person? If it’s unpaid then why would there be any hard limit to how many people they can take?

And anyway, it’s a private company. How is it any different from me going and helping my uncle stack shelves in his shop in my free time? It’s not as if that opportunity is “owed” to anyone else.
It's no good like a lot of australian politicians and they should be forced to run through a forest filled with drop bears.:whip2:
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OK - it's the other side of the world so in the one sense it doesn't matter, but...

For various city careers these sorts of unpaid internships are massively advantageous for future graduate job applications. In my area (law), the competition for unpaid internships/vac schemes is often *as competitive* as getting the actual job itself and when you're applying for careers post uni having a selection of internships & work experience on the CV is advantageous as an absolute minimum, and many firms require it. Although they're unpaid, time and resource reasons means that only a limited number of these opportunities are available each year.

So - when well connected wealthy people can arrange these for their children on an informal basis, when everyone else has to spend hundreds of hours making applications in the *hope* of obtaining one. This gives the former a serious competitive advantage in securing well paid future grad careers.
Original post by AMac86
OK - it's the other side of the world so in the one sense it doesn't matter, but...

For various city careers these sorts of unpaid internships are massively advantageous for future graduate job applications. In my area (law), the competition for unpaid internships/vac schemes is often *as competitive* as getting the actual job itself and when you're applying for careers post uni having a selection of internships & work experience on the CV is advantageous as an absolute minimum, and many firms require it. Although they're unpaid, time and resource reasons means that only a limited number of these opportunities are available each year.

So - when well connected wealthy people can arrange these for their children on an informal basis, when everyone else has to spend hundreds of hours making applications in the *hope* of obtaining one. This gives the former a serious competitive advantage in securing well paid future grad careers.


Spot on.
Have we got the FT article in question to see if it was actually fraudulent?

Sounds like it might just have been nepotistic, which is a bad look perhaps for the leader of the Labor Party, and someone who's tried to build a blue-collar image, but I don't think he'll be the first or the last politician to do that sort of thing and it doesn't sound illegal.
What's all the fuss about? :confused:
If no crime has been committed or attempted, there's nothing surprising about a parent helping to arrange an internship/work experience placement/some part time work for their child as an underage teenager or new graduate.
Whether in Australia, the UK, India or anywhere else.

Regardless of whether the specific internship or work experience relates to an accountancy firm, legal office, barbers shop, gossip magazine, factory, restaurant, film set, newspaper office or special occassions dress shop.
My best friend's father did the same thing for me and my best friend.
I've had plenty of request to provide an internship or work experience to their relatives.
Free or for a hefty payment.