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Reply 20
Original post by crustylaw
Don't hate yourself; don't assume other 18 y/o students have it all figured out (regardless of how it may appear to you from the outside); and don't measure your journey by others. It's not a race to see who gets there first, and sometimes the longer, windy path is the better path. For many years, I have been an attorney in a global law firm dominated by top graduates from top universities, and I can't tell you how many associates and partners continue to question their life choices. They would be the first to tell you that they don't have it all figured out, in spite of all outward appearances to the contrary. I'm at the point in my career where I could retire tomorrow should I so choose, and I can't claim to have it figured out. Cut yourself a little slack, make a decision, and then whatever that decision is, try to make the best of it.

yeah, that is very true, and bar very few people who just KNOW what their plan is and what they're doing, most people are just stumbling through life. But at least they do stumble through it right? I'm just paralysed (there's this term that is commonly used in reference to us ADHD-ers called 'analysis paralysis', that is me to a T), really struggling to move forward in any way. I think you're very correct that I need to make a decision and try not to look back or think 'what if' too much. It's just all so exhausting and often I just feel like giving up and not even trying anymore - but that is precisely what got me into this mess in the first place. I have so many regrets... wish I'd applied to Oxbridge or to American unis, or gone to a 'better' uni (not saying I'd get in, or everything would be perfect at the 'better' uni, but I wish I at least tried so that I could move forward with no regrets KNOWING I'd tried my absolute best)

BTW, I really appreciate your words, you and everyone has been so lovely putting up with my constant dithering and my long-windedly complicated situation
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Reply 21
Original post by Hhh--#
tbh, I can't lie, I'm not fond of the city either... I literally clung to the campus the entire time I was there. The on-campus accom is lovely and feels nice and segregated from the city, but the actual city is so rough.

In fairness, neither Leamington Spa nor Coventry are exactly Renaissance-era Florence
Damn is that what Nottingham's like now? I was going to apply there
Reply 23
Original post by Entrepreneur.
Damn is that what Nottingham's like now? I was going to apply there


Don't listen to me - I am one person and it was my experience specifically, within my course specifically. Notts is very strong for many courses - this is MY hang-up and me wanting certain things out of uni, and having certain expectations for MYself, so don't apply it to yourself. But for example, despite getting a place at Imperial, I chose not to go there bc I knew I didn't want to do uni in London bc of living costs, and I like having a campus and having things close by. Other people hate campus life, and really want to be in a big city env. Another example: alot of people prefer a more chill uni env whilst still having the prestige of a russell group, but I personally thrive in places where it's abit more academic.
Even for me, it would've been fine, I just feel I'm massively underachieving by not aiming higher as I have quite a decent set of grades, and I regret not aiming higher because with them, I can easily get into one of these 'better' ranked unis, and I have gotten into them previously, I just didn't make informed decisions and jumped into things blindly.
I just rushed into notts with no knowledge/proper research. I should've been aiming higher bc I got good grades, and then if I fell in love with the place/course etc., I would go there despite the lower rankings, but I went for all the wrong reasons (pressure, fear, lack of knowledge etc.), and without really trying to make the most of the A-level grades I got.
Honestly, everyone has a different experience and different things they want out of uni. I've always had regrets about underachieving and not fulfilling my potential (e.g. not applying to Oxbridge, not getting a full set of A*s despite being fully capable etc.), and it's a streak I don't want to continue, which is why I have an obsession with making the exactly correct choice.

Take my situation with a grain of salt - if it feels right for you, you will succeed regardless of everything else and vice-versa.
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Reply 24
Original post by Trinculo
In fairness, neither Leamington Spa nor Coventry are exactly Renaissance-era Florence


lol, very true
Reply 25
Original post by Hhh--#
So... last year I attended Uni of Nottingham for the academic year 2022/2023 and let's just say, it's not what I expected.
When I applied to uni last year, I applied to all RGs bc I thought that guaranteed I'd be in a top top uni, surrounded by people on a similar level to me academically. On the open day, Notts looked really good, so I firmed .
But from the very first few weeks and esp after spending a year there, I've learnt that it is not the academic environment I was looking for. Moreover, I'm surrounded by people with mostly B's and C's, even D's and a few E's too (there are some A students here and there).. This is very much reflected in their attitudes too - all they seem to do is party. I'm all for having fun, but I need that balance too.
I may be imagining this part, but I feel the quality of the students there is reflected in the quality of the departments and the teaching, i.e. not so good.
It seems most of the people around me got in on very reduced offers or through clearing, which is a blow because I worked hard for my grades. I'm all for contextual offers bc people with great potential often have difficult circumstances (I've had a fair few myself), but to be surrounded mostly by people who don't seem to care much about their education and have gotten in on the bare minimum, sometimes well below it, is very disheartening. I know uni is what you make of it, but I get influenced very easily by those around me. If I stay in an env such as that, my education will suffer. In terms of the sports/friends/campus/place, I've been very happy. But my education is going to ****.

So, is it egotistical to say that I feel I could go somewhere better with my grades(A*AAB)?


Honest opinions, and please be harsh if need be :smile:


Do what you FEEL is best
Reply 26
Original post by Obelisk.
Do what you FEEL is best


I'm just really struggling with that rn, bc neither option feels good u know? I have two undesirable options in front of me. On the one hand, I lose a full 2 years of my life, but I get to start over at a diff uni. On the other hand, I don't get a place at the other unis, and end up going back to Nottingham and completing my degree, but I've lost a year for no reason.
Then with staying at notts this year - I can try to apply for yr 2 entry, which is quite rarely allowed (at least by the unis I want to go to), but they may say no and offer me yr 1 entry. In this case, won't have enough student finance to cover a degree starting from year one at a new uni as I'll already have used up 2 years of student finance. So will have to stay at Nottingham despite getting places at unis I'd rather go to.
I just WISH I'd applied before the January deadline THIS year for 2023 entry. At least that way I wouldn't have to worry about losing a year.
Reply 27
MY 2 CENTS/PENCE as an American who transferred from a US top-50 uni to a top-20 one [albeit to study a diff subject much closer to home]: if it's to study the same thing, just tough it out and save whatever it is for grad school [assuming you're going to one considering the "academics" angle…]. from what I understand UK uni is usu only 3yrs and you've already done 1st, don't "waste" 2yrs just to feel more comfortable about your peers. they're only your peers atm, I've made more life-long friends in a weekend at Coachella than I did in my 4yrs at ugrad… g'd luck with whatever it is, I felt similar in my ugrad esp considering my test scores that I should have gone Ivy League-calibre but life happens, it's what's next that counts the most. personally went and interviewed at a few Ivy League biz schools for MBAs and looking back at it glad I didn't attend them at that relatively young age.
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Reply 28
UPDATE:

You guys were all right - staying at Nottingham was the best for me. Problem is, I was just so focused on uni, education, rankings blah blah blah, and had not considered my wellbeing at all. I have been and am struggling alottttt with mental health, and I hadn't considered the toll another period of instability would take on me. I was far too focused on trying to correct the past or how I'd feel in the future, that I didn't consider how I felt right now. Basically, I've ****ed everything up. I'm not allowed to go back to the subject I was studying last year - instead I've been forced to start a whole new subject. My mental health is dog ****, and I can't bring myself to study or see friends or play sports or participate in societies. Everything is ****.
The department of my old subject won't let me back in, I tried to cite my mental health as a concern, but they don't really care - they're no longer even responding to my emails. They said in a meeting that they are not obligated to help me (this is true - uni policy states it is at the discretion of individual departments whether or not they allow students to study that course). I feel stuck. I want to make the most of my new course, but like I said, I'm just not doing well mentally because of all the turmoil and instability. I might now have to interrupt my studies since I'm so behind on work, and though I'm trying, I just can't bring myself to do anything anymore.
My priority has changed completely - before it was all about uni choices, now, it's about trying to preserve my mental health. And if I'm honest with myself, part of that is to not subject myself to anymore change or to another round of applications, open days and decisions. I just need some stability. But the chance for that seems to be gone. I wish the old dept would consider my case but they're being very clinical and are all about the bottom line, which is that I chose to leave. The new dept have been very supportive, and are trying to help me. But again, I just can't deal with this change and instability right now. I think I'm going to have to interrupt and return next year, but I still won't be allowed to study my old subject - they basically said to me point blank in the meeting that if I wanted to study that subject, I'd have to go to a different uni.
My (old man) advice is to prioritize your mental health. Especially when you’re young, it seems like everyone is on an uninterrupted straight path towards a defined destination. That is almost never true. Life happens for everyone and it happens in different ways, and some of the most successful people I know have had the twistiest of paths. It’s not a race to see who gets out of the starting blocks the fastest. It’s about stumbling, recovering, putting one fit in front of the other, and finishing strong. While we all want the easy clear path, victory is sweeter when you had to overcome. Wishing you all the best.
Reply 30
I find myself in almost total agreement with Trinculo and hotpud here.

As an aside, I have read at Oxford and their freshers are the same as freshers everywhere else I have read/worked. So whilst the academic atmosphere on the institutional side is a bit different, the undergrad behaviour is basically the same.
Reply 31
Original post by crustylaw
My (old man) advice is to prioritize your mental health. Especially when you’re young, it seems like everyone is on an uninterrupted straight path towards a defined destination. That is almost never true. Life happens for everyone and it happens in different ways, and some of the most successful people I know have had the twistiest of paths. It’s not a race to see who gets out of the starting blocks the fastest. It’s about stumbling, recovering, putting one fit in front of the other, and finishing strong. While we all want the easy clear path, victory is sweeter when you had to overcome. Wishing you all the best.


Thank you for that. I've been getting stomach pains and nausea from the stress, it's honestly gotten so bad. I've literally been on campus all day today but could not bring myself to go to lectures. Don't get me wrong, the issues I raised before about wanting a more academic env still stand, however that has been massively overshadowed by my MH. Right now, my biggest priority is being able to study in the first place and that's only possible if I am mentally fit. I don't feel I am capable of studying a diff course (which I am being forced to do) nor to start at a new uni at THIS moment. Because of this, I think I'll most likely have to interrupt my studies, get well, re-evaluate what I want, and more importantly what I can and can't cope with, and act from there. Tbh, right now, my preference is to continue on my old course because I want to be out of the decision making process, but the dept are being mean and not letting me back on so...
The biggest thing I've learnt is, you have to act based on the present, not the past or the future. Everyone was telling me this, but I've not been able to see it until everything has exploded in my face.
Reply 32
Original post by gjd800
I find myself in almost total agreement with Trinculo and hotpud here.

As an aside, I have read at Oxford and their freshers are the same as freshers everywhere else I have read/worked. So whilst the academic atmosphere on the institutional side is a bit different, the undergrad behaviour is basically the same.


I don't have an issue with notts as a whole, more the specific dept I was in. Like I say I think notts is very strong for certain subjects. At this moment, with my MH as a priority, I feel that despite this, the best for me would be to continue to study that same course despite my misgivings because I can't deal with any more instability or change given my current state. Doesn't matter anymore anyways, since that dept won't let me study with them anymore and I'm being forced to start a whole new course which i don't feel ready to take on, and unless some miracle by which I become instantly stronger and capable of study, I'm almost certainly going to have to interrupt. That was always least attractive to me - losing a year. It's exactly what I DON'T want.
Reply 33
Original post by Hhh--#
I don't have an issue with notts as a whole, more the specific dept I was in. Like I say I think notts is very strong for certain subjects. At this moment, with my MH as a priority, I feel that despite this, the best for me would be to continue to study that same course despite my misgivings because I can't deal with any more instability or change given my current state. Doesn't matter anymore anyways, since that dept won't let me study with them anymore and I'm being forced to start a whole new course which i don't feel ready to take on, and unless some miracle by which I become instantly stronger and capable of study, I'm almost certainly going to have to interrupt. That was always least attractive to me - losing a year. It's exactly what I DON'T want.

Why are you so set against a year out of it?

You don't have to answer that 8f it's too personal.

I only did my undergrad degree in my mid 20s after jibbing university off after a few weeks when I was 18, so I don't really understand the rush.
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Reply 34
Original post by gjd800
Why are you so set against a year out of it?

You don't have to answer that 8f it's too personal.

I only did my undergrad degree in my mid 20s after jibbing university off after a few weeks when I was 18, so I don't really understand the rush.


hmm, ig I kind of want to get on with my life? I already had 2 gap years pre-uni due to health complications (covid), and then last year was my first year at uni (though it doesn't count since I didn't complete the year), and if I take out this year, then my first year will begin next September. I just want to study, I'm tired of part-time jobs and feeling at a dead end - I just want to move on and be productive. I want to be back in education.
Reply 35
Original post by Hhh--#
hmm, ig I kind of want to get on with my life? I already had 2 gap years pre-uni due to health complications (covid), and then last year was my first year at uni (though it doesn't count since I didn't complete the year), and if I take out this year, then my first year will begin next September. I just want to study, I'm tired of part-time jobs and feeling at a dead end - I just want to move on and be productive. I want to be back in education.

I do understand that, to be honest. I suppose it's a bit of a trade off there.
Reply 36
Gosh - I wish I'd just listened to everyone. Chasing prestige and all that BS is so ridiculous when my mental health was so bad. I should've focused on what I can handle in the present instead of being obsessed with the future or trying to fix the past. I wish I'd just stuck to my old course, because right now my mental health is so bad that I literally cannot even think about taking on a new course or starting over at a new uni. I just need the stability and to be out of the decision making stage.

I hate myself and wish I'd listened to those who gave me the harsh but honest truth - that because my mental health is bad and I'm so uncertain, the best thing to do is stick with what I have bc throwing myself back into uncertainty will make things infintely worse.

I've tried and tried with my uni to transfer back to my old course - I've even offered evidence of my poor MH, they literally don't give a ****. Their bottom line is, you transferred to a diff course and we are not obligated to admit you to our course (uni policy says no dept is required to accept a student). But I literally had the transfer processed about 10months ago and I'm being held to such an old decision, made at a time when my situation and priorities were different, and when I could not possibly have predicted what state I'd be in right now. Additionally, though I know they're not obligated, I had hoped that my wellbeing as a student and the uni's duty of care towards me would overshadow this - instead they're citing it as the main and only reason. They have places on the course, missed work is not an issue since I covered it last year and got a mark for it, I obvs meet the entry requirements and there has been no misconduct towards anyone from me. They are basically prioritising their bottom line over me. They are honestly one of the worst, least supportive depts (as evidenced by 40-50 people dropping out of it last year) at the uni (basicallt they're fine until you have a problem or need smth from them). My personal tutor was amazing but besides him, they've been pretty ****. In contrast, the new course dept are amazing, a thousand times more supportive and generally some of the loveliest staff I've met. So you can imagine, I must really feel I need to transfer back if I'm willing to go from such an amazing dept. to a much worse one.

Like I really, really need this.
Original post by Hhh--#
So... last year I attended Uni of Nottingham for the academic year 2022/2023 and let's just say, it's not what I expected.
When I applied to uni last year, I applied to all RGs bc I thought that guaranteed I'd be in a top top uni, surrounded by people on a similar level to me academically. On the open day, Notts looked really good, so I firmed .
But from the very first few weeks and esp after spending a year there, I've learnt that it is not the academic environment I was looking for. Moreover, I'm surrounded by people with mostly B's and C's, even D's and a few E's too (there are some A students here and there).. This is very much reflected in their attitudes too - all they seem to do is party. I'm all for having fun, but I need that balance too.
I may be imagining this part, but I feel the quality of the students there is reflected in the quality of the departments and the teaching, i.e. not so good.
It seems most of the people around me got in on very reduced offers or through clearing, which is a blow because I worked hard for my grades. I'm all for contextual offers bc people with great potential often have difficult circumstances (I've had a fair few myself), but to be surrounded mostly by people who don't seem to care much about their education and have gotten in on the bare minimum, sometimes well below it, is very disheartening. I know uni is what you make of it, but I get influenced very easily by those around me. If I stay in an env such as that, my education will suffer. In terms of the sports/friends/campus/place, I've been very happy. But my education is going to ****.

So, is it egotistical to say that I feel I could go somewhere better with my grades(A*AAB)?


Honest opinions, and please be harsh if need be :smile:

Yes, you are being egotistical.

It doesn't matter that everyone else seems unbothered- it tends to happen in 1st year because for the majority of courses, it doesn't count towards your degree.

Solely working longer hours doesn't always equate to being academically better. That one girl who may party a lot might actually end up performing better than you. My advice would be stop concerning yourself with what others are doing and focus on yourself. Nottingham is a great uni imo.
Original post by Hhh--#
Gosh - I wish I'd just listened to everyone. Chasing prestige and all that BS is so ridiculous when my mental health was so bad. I should've focused on what I can handle in the present instead of being obsessed with the future or trying to fix the past. I wish I'd just stuck to my old course, because right now my mental health is so bad that I literally cannot even think about taking on a new course or starting over at a new uni. I just need the stability and to be out of the decision making stage.

I hate myself and wish I'd listened to those who gave me the harsh but honest truth - that because my mental health is bad and I'm so uncertain, the best thing to do is stick with what I have bc throwing myself back into uncertainty will make things infintely worse.

I've tried and tried with my uni to transfer back to my old course - I've even offered evidence of my poor MH, they literally don't give a ****. Their bottom line is, you transferred to a diff course and we are not obligated to admit you to our course (uni policy says no dept is required to accept a student). But I literally had the transfer processed about 10months ago and I'm being held to such an old decision, made at a time when my situation and priorities were different, and when I could not possibly have predicted what state I'd be in right now. Additionally, though I know they're not obligated, I had hoped that my wellbeing as a student and the uni's duty of care towards me would overshadow this - instead they're citing it as the main and only reason. They have places on the course, missed work is not an issue since I covered it last year and got a mark for it, I obvs meet the entry requirements and there has been no misconduct towards anyone from me. They are basically prioritising their bottom line over me. They are honestly one of the worst, least supportive depts (as evidenced by 40-50 people dropping out of it last year) at the uni (basicallt they're fine until you have a problem or need smth from them). My personal tutor was amazing but besides him, they've been pretty ****. In contrast, the new course dept are amazing, a thousand times more supportive and generally some of the loveliest staff I've met. So you can imagine, I must really feel I need to transfer back if I'm willing to go from such an amazing dept. to a much worse one.

Like I really, really need this.

Straight off the bat, I am not an MH practitioner and my experience of dealing with other people's MH tends to be at the more acute end of things.

To me, it sounds like you're dealing with a lot of things inside and your university experience is acting as a manifestation of all that. You say that what you're after is some stability and calm - and who could possibly disagree with that?

Problem is - university shouldn't be used as a holding pattern or a day spa. It's expensive and also has a time-limited element to it. You might be getting some respite right now, but at some point soon there are going to be assessments and your continued stay is going to be under a lot of pressure if you aren't doing any work. Whether you get through it or not isn't the issue - the issue is that you say you have precarious MH and things are inevitably going to start closing in on you.

I'm afraid that my feeling (on the basis of everything you've said) is that you should leave university at first opportunity (in a controlled manner, tying up all the loose ends and going through all the right procedures) ideally at the end of Michaelmas Term and just go home. Get yourself a job where you are just going to have time to think, but little or no stress. Cutting the grass, cleaning, whatever fills that role. Get away from university because it's always a time limited situation and the deadlines won't do you any good at all. When you feel ready for it, maybe start working in a job with slightly more human interaction and then start to work out what it is you really want to do with your life and when you think the time is right, then apply back to university.

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