international student choosing oxford college
still unsure what college to apply to as an international applicant for history & politics.
visited magdalen and found it to be gorgeous, but a friendly college environment is a priority for me and i haven’t heard much to say that it is particularly close. although they do have a multitude of societies that seem quite interesting.
my must haves are green spaces, self-catering, and a reputation for a friendly/close-knit undergraduate environment.
visited magdalen and found it to be gorgeous, but a friendly college environment is a priority for me and i haven’t heard much to say that it is particularly close. although they do have a multitude of societies that seem quite interesting.
my must haves are green spaces, self-catering, and a reputation for a friendly/close-knit undergraduate environment.
Self-catering might be difficult for you, because generally the older colleges will put you in their main, old buildings in the college in one or two of your years, and those buildings don't always have student kitchens. (Magdalen does: see guide here). At Lincoln where I went, 1st year undergrads didn't have access to kitchens, but 2nd and 4th years generally did.
Accommodation varies a lot from college to college; some offer college accommodation to undergrads throughout their course and some don't. But many of the older ones will not offer you access to a kitchen all through your studies. If this is very important to you, I would draw up a shortlist of 5-6 and check what facilities they have (email the JCR committee and ask if the college/JCR website isn't informative enough).
For green spaces, I guess Magdalen does pretty well with its deer park! Christ Church ofc has the meadow, but that's open to the public so you can go there no matter what college you're at. Merton has quite big green spaces at its main site as well. Somerville's gardens are fairly big. However, Oxford has plenty of green spaces. A lot of people love to go to Port Meadow, which is by the river, and then there's the University Parks and South Park. And then there's Christ Church Meadow. So no matter which college you're at, you will always have big green spaces to go to if you don't mind walking a bit/getting on a bike. These places are all within 20 minutes' bike ride of the city centre.
As far as 'friendly environment' goes, I haven't experienced many other colleges apart from my own, so I'm not the best person to say, but I am inclined to believe that every college is capable of being friendly to people who fit in there; I don't think there is such a thing as friendly and unfriendly colleges. Bear in mind, the student intake changes every year, and every year there is a different JCR committee in charge of looking after undergraduates. They set a lot of the tone, as they organise a lot of events. A good or bad JCR committee makes a big difference to how sociable and happy a college is. And that's not something you can predict or plan for.
So the question is, where would you fit in? Some colleges are bigger than others; the advantage of being bigger is you're more likely to find like minded people or people with the same interests as you. Some have more international students than others (I suspect that the famous colleges like Magdalen, Balliol and Christ Church fall into this category). And some colleges have a noticeable political alignment. Christ Church is traditionally right wing, although being big, I expect it's more diverse than that would make you think. Oriel (sometimes called 'Toriel') is definitely right wing. Wadham is pretty left wing and has a reputation for being woke. I would also look into whether any college has a particular club/society that you'd like to join. A lot of people (not just athletes) get into rowing at Oxford, not necessarily because they are mad about sport but because it seems quite addictive for some people, and also, you get to be part of a close-knit team. You'll train together, have breakfast after morning outings together and you'll party together. That's a great way to bond with a group of people (if you can tolerate getting up early for training, including in winter).
Depending on which country you're from (which country are you from?) you may well find a university society for people from the same country where you can hang out with fellow nationals. That is useful if you feel a bit isolated at college.
Hope that helps! Other people may have slightly less vague advice...
Accommodation varies a lot from college to college; some offer college accommodation to undergrads throughout their course and some don't. But many of the older ones will not offer you access to a kitchen all through your studies. If this is very important to you, I would draw up a shortlist of 5-6 and check what facilities they have (email the JCR committee and ask if the college/JCR website isn't informative enough).
For green spaces, I guess Magdalen does pretty well with its deer park! Christ Church ofc has the meadow, but that's open to the public so you can go there no matter what college you're at. Merton has quite big green spaces at its main site as well. Somerville's gardens are fairly big. However, Oxford has plenty of green spaces. A lot of people love to go to Port Meadow, which is by the river, and then there's the University Parks and South Park. And then there's Christ Church Meadow. So no matter which college you're at, you will always have big green spaces to go to if you don't mind walking a bit/getting on a bike. These places are all within 20 minutes' bike ride of the city centre.
As far as 'friendly environment' goes, I haven't experienced many other colleges apart from my own, so I'm not the best person to say, but I am inclined to believe that every college is capable of being friendly to people who fit in there; I don't think there is such a thing as friendly and unfriendly colleges. Bear in mind, the student intake changes every year, and every year there is a different JCR committee in charge of looking after undergraduates. They set a lot of the tone, as they organise a lot of events. A good or bad JCR committee makes a big difference to how sociable and happy a college is. And that's not something you can predict or plan for.
So the question is, where would you fit in? Some colleges are bigger than others; the advantage of being bigger is you're more likely to find like minded people or people with the same interests as you. Some have more international students than others (I suspect that the famous colleges like Magdalen, Balliol and Christ Church fall into this category). And some colleges have a noticeable political alignment. Christ Church is traditionally right wing, although being big, I expect it's more diverse than that would make you think. Oriel (sometimes called 'Toriel') is definitely right wing. Wadham is pretty left wing and has a reputation for being woke. I would also look into whether any college has a particular club/society that you'd like to join. A lot of people (not just athletes) get into rowing at Oxford, not necessarily because they are mad about sport but because it seems quite addictive for some people, and also, you get to be part of a close-knit team. You'll train together, have breakfast after morning outings together and you'll party together. That's a great way to bond with a group of people (if you can tolerate getting up early for training, including in winter).
Depending on which country you're from (which country are you from?) you may well find a university society for people from the same country where you can hang out with fellow nationals. That is useful if you feel a bit isolated at college.
Hope that helps! Other people may have slightly less vague advice...
(edited 1 year ago)
Original post by Mu-tron
Self-catering might be difficult for you, because generally the older colleges will put you in their main, old buildings in the college in one or two of your years, and those buildings don't always have student kitchens. (Magdalen does: see guide here). At Lincoln where I went, 1st year undergrads didn't have access to kitchens, but 2nd and 4th years generally did.
Accommodation varies a lot from college to college; some offer college accommodation to undergrads throughout their course and some don't. But many of the older ones will not offer you access to a kitchen all through your studies. If this is very important to you, I would draw up a shortlist of 5-6 and check what facilities they have (email the JCR committee and ask if the college/JCR website isn't informative enough).
For green spaces, I guess Magdalen does pretty well with its deer park! Christ Church ofc has the meadow, but that's open to the public so you can go there no matter what college you're at. Merton has quite big green spaces at its main site as well. Somerville's gardens are fairly big. However, Oxford has plenty of green spaces. A lot of people love to go to Port Meadow, which is by the river, and then there's the University Parks and South Park. And then there's Christ Church Meadow. So no matter which college you're at, you will always have big green spaces to go to if you don't mind walking a bit/getting on a bike. These places are all within 20 minutes' bike ride of the city centre.
As far as 'friendly environment' goes, I haven't experienced many other colleges apart from my own, so I'm not the best person to say, but I am inclined to believe that every college is capable of being friendly to people who fit in there; I don't think there is such a thing as friendly and unfriendly colleges. Bear in mind, the student intake changes every year, and every year there is a different JCR committee in charge of looking after undergraduates. They set a lot of the tone, as they organise a lot of events. A good or bad JCR committee makes a big difference to how sociable and happy a college is. And that's not something you can predict or plan for.
So the question is, where would you fit in? Some colleges are bigger than others; the advantage of being bigger is you're more likely to find like minded people or people with the same interests as you. Some have more international students than others (I suspect that the famous colleges like Magdalen, Balliol and Christ Church fall into this category). And some colleges have a noticeable political alignment. Christ Church is traditionally right wing, although being big, I expect it's more diverse than that would make you think. Oriel (sometimes called 'Toriel') is definitely right wing. Wadham is pretty left wing and has a reputation for being woke. I would also look into whether any college has a particular club/society that you'd like to join. A lot of people (not just athletes) get into rowing at Oxford, not necessarily because they are mad about sport but because it seems quite addictive for some people, and also, you get to be part of a close-knit team. You'll train together, have breakfast after morning outings together and you'll party together. That's a great way to bond with a group of people (if you can tolerate getting up early for training, including in winter).
Depending on which country you're from (which country are you from?) you may well find a university society for people from the same country where you can hang out with fellow nationals. That is useful if you feel a bit isolated at college.
Hope that helps! Other people may have slightly less vague advice...
Accommodation varies a lot from college to college; some offer college accommodation to undergrads throughout their course and some don't. But many of the older ones will not offer you access to a kitchen all through your studies. If this is very important to you, I would draw up a shortlist of 5-6 and check what facilities they have (email the JCR committee and ask if the college/JCR website isn't informative enough).
For green spaces, I guess Magdalen does pretty well with its deer park! Christ Church ofc has the meadow, but that's open to the public so you can go there no matter what college you're at. Merton has quite big green spaces at its main site as well. Somerville's gardens are fairly big. However, Oxford has plenty of green spaces. A lot of people love to go to Port Meadow, which is by the river, and then there's the University Parks and South Park. And then there's Christ Church Meadow. So no matter which college you're at, you will always have big green spaces to go to if you don't mind walking a bit/getting on a bike. These places are all within 20 minutes' bike ride of the city centre.
As far as 'friendly environment' goes, I haven't experienced many other colleges apart from my own, so I'm not the best person to say, but I am inclined to believe that every college is capable of being friendly to people who fit in there; I don't think there is such a thing as friendly and unfriendly colleges. Bear in mind, the student intake changes every year, and every year there is a different JCR committee in charge of looking after undergraduates. They set a lot of the tone, as they organise a lot of events. A good or bad JCR committee makes a big difference to how sociable and happy a college is. And that's not something you can predict or plan for.
So the question is, where would you fit in? Some colleges are bigger than others; the advantage of being bigger is you're more likely to find like minded people or people with the same interests as you. Some have more international students than others (I suspect that the famous colleges like Magdalen, Balliol and Christ Church fall into this category). And some colleges have a noticeable political alignment. Christ Church is traditionally right wing, although being big, I expect it's more diverse than that would make you think. Oriel (sometimes called 'Toriel') is definitely right wing. Wadham is pretty left wing and has a reputation for being woke. I would also look into whether any college has a particular club/society that you'd like to join. A lot of people (not just athletes) get into rowing at Oxford, not necessarily because they are mad about sport but because it seems quite addictive for some people, and also, you get to be part of a close-knit team. You'll train together, have breakfast after morning outings together and you'll party together. That's a great way to bond with a group of people (if you can tolerate getting up early for training, including in winter).
Depending on which country you're from (which country are you from?) you may well find a university society for people from the same country where you can hang out with fellow nationals. That is useful if you feel a bit isolated at college.
Hope that helps! Other people may have slightly less vague advice...
wonderful! in terms of accommodation, my preference is accommodation throughout all three years of my course. in terms of interests i'm a pretty political person but i suspect i can get plenty of exposure of that through societies, and since i am an international student (egyptian living in the us) a large international presence would always be a positive. Magdalen also initially attracted me due to it having multiple societies i'm interested in, but i'd read multiple things to suggest that the college environment might not be as friendly. it's just very difficult to nary it down because many seem more similar than they are different.
Original post by ananas01
wonderful! in terms of accommodation, my preference is accommodation throughout all three years of my course. in terms of interests i'm a pretty political person but i suspect i can get plenty of exposure of that through societies, and since i am an international student (egyptian living in the us) a large international presence would always be a positive. Magdalen also initially attracted me due to it having multiple societies i'm interested in, but i'd read multiple things to suggest that the college environment might not be as friendly. it's just very difficult to nary it down because many seem more similar than they are different.
Keep in mind that most of the societies are university-wide, not just for the college, so it doesn't matter as much which college you end up at. The political societies are pretty much all university as well. St Catherine's seems to meet all of your requirements - accommodation is offered for the full degree, alongside kitchen access (hob but no oven). The history and politics tutors here are really good as well, and if you're interested in Egyptian politics, there's a specialist here on Politics/IR in the Middle East. It's also the largest undergraduate college, so there's plenty of internationals. The main downside is that the college itself is pretty ugly, and it's not as central as some other colleges. Keeps the tourists away, at least!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think that Arne Jacobsen's buildings at Catz are fabulous.
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Original post by Stiffy Byng
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think that Arne Jacobsen's buildings at Catz are fabulous.
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I stayed overnight once at an open day.. surprisingly beautiful in the daytime but felt like i was in a horror film at night in the dark overhang!!! I also didn't love the rooms - and no ensuites in a relatively new building seems like a poor choice to me
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I stayed overnight once at an open day.. surprisingly beautiful in the daytime but felt like i was in a horror film at night in the dark overhang!!! I also didn't love the rooms - and no ensuites in a relatively new building seems like a poor choice to me
1962 is sixty one years ago! En suite bathrooms were not a thing in student accommodation until quite recently. Most ordinary homes only had one bathroom in the 1960s, and that didn't change for quite a while.
When I was an undergraduate at Wadham, there was one manky bathroom at the foot of my staircase in the front quad, and the nearest shower was two quads away. Nobody cared! My shared rented house in Jericho for the second year had no hot water and a very manky bathroom. We used to cycle into college to have a shower and do our laundry.
There is a legend that Warden Spooner of New College (he of the Spoonerism) once said to an undergraduate who complained of having to cross two quads to take a bath: "Why do you want a bath? You're only here for eight weeks at a time".
There is also a saying that the better the university, the worse the digs. At Oxford, living in a slightly knackered old building is part of the gig.
Catz is currently being fixed up because it has dodgy concrete. Wadham is having its leaky roof done. The work is endless.
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