[Official thread] Hamas-Israel Conflict

Voting against what? I personally don’t know much about Uganda in context/in general.

I'm asking you. I'm all for the idf way

Yeah I'm not believing any video that comes out of Paliwood. Would that happen to be the same guy who said he had broke both arms from the idf yet was filmed using both of them by the red Cross. Or the guy who one day is a reporter, the next a doctor and the next a refugee. Dream on and keep falling for paliwood propaganda.

my bad didn't make it much clearer.

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-pre-01-00-en.pdf

the ICJ website shows that out of all judges, there seems to be one voting against the pretty tame measures. they even voted against one in which the Israeli judge said yes. so I am curious about this.

If hamas didn't steal aid, isreal would not withhold it. If hamas didn't hide in hospitals or schools or mosques etc then they would get targeted.

The death of every Palestinian is a tradgey laid at the foot of hamas hiding amoung them. It's not genocide, they don't target Palestinians, they target hamas. Death is an unfortunate but inevitable consequence.

agreed, but they do care. it is the middle east, a large chunk of the world's oil comes through there and if lets say iran does something then oil prices here in our country will go up exponentially. its simply that we need to protect our interests while not upsetting the rightfully emotional population who are recipients of the belief of human rights, you have to abide by the rules of war. i end with a quote from the current american president.

"(... ) for apologizing for our support for Israel. There is no apology to be made. None. It is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region; (...) we worry about the eastern flank of NATO, Greece and Turkey, and how important it is. They pale by comparison … they pale by comparison in terms of the benefit that accrues to the United States of America."

so we bare some responsibility for the actions of the tory Government? I have never ever voted for the Tories in a GE. This means that the Houthis and Iran would consider every British man, woman and children fair game for the actions of Sunak. Simply incredible!

Did you seriously just describe hamas as "soldiers"?
They're not soldiers, in any context.
They are terrorist fighters and other terrorist members whose roles do not involve fighting physically.

Yes, ofc we do, to think otherwise is to forget how a nation works. Sure, some of us may have disagreed with it but as a nation our collective response to our own governments actions in Iraq was akin to “oh no please stop…. anyway”.

You’re misrepresenting the argument. I never said civilians were fair game but as civilians of a nation you can’t be upset when the actions of your nation have consequences for you.

But to the actions in the M.E atm no, bombing the Houthis to protect trade shipping is a consequence of their actions nothing else. All they have to do to stop these consequences is stop attacking ships.

"...if a few trucks going in carrying some dinner makes you feel better" Wow, you and I live is such different worlds that I think it is pointless for me to respond with any more of my views.

Perhaps it is worth you reading some of the reports from Médecins Sans Frontières, and other agencies of the ground to give you some grasp of the reality of the situation.

Some people are conflating the collective responsibility of a mature democratic nation to a landmass of people being ruled with an iron fist and struggling to survive. To me, it is amateurish for one to suggest that the Palestinians should bear responsibility of Hamas when they lack the democratic freedoms and peaceful existence to make the informed decisions on who governs them.

To your example of the Houthis, the actions of the Houthis are by that group and Yemenis should never bear responsibility for the crimes of such a group.

Sigh, the IDF are targeting hamas, not hospitals. If hamas uses them as military based then they are military targets, thays not a war crime. If hamas arm kids then they become legitimate combatants even if they are child soldiers.

Any people, even in an authoritarian regime bear some responsibility. At any time could we as a people could have all marched-on London and elsewhere to demand a stop in Iraq, at any time could the people of Gaza rise up against Hamas, at any time could the people of Russia fight back against the Putin regime. We didn’t because it was inconvenient, they didn’t because it was hard and scary probably and the third option is they agree with it. But assuming the first two, inaction against the actions of the people representing you isn’t innocence it’s complicity.

They don’t care about the people is more the point, they couldn’t care less if Israel turned Gaza into glass as long as it doesn’t affect them. Hence playing both sides, arming Israel and saying “bad Israel” at the same time. Everyone knows how important Israel are to the USA which is why it just rings hollow when they pretend to be humanitarians all of a sudden.

How exactly is Hamas a terrorist organisation?

Hamas only operate in the Palestinian territory along the Eastern Mediterranean Sea as a professional standing Army. Anyone entering Israel accepts that they could potentially get shot, bombed, stabbed, taken hostage or killed as it is an ongoing military conflict regardless of whether you are from Europe, America, China or another nation in the UN. IDF and Israeli Militants could also bomb, shoot, stab and torture a foreign person entering Israel from the above mentioned nations and have done that for the past 70 years.

In fact, it is more likely for an IDF militant to conduct a terrorist campaign against a foreign nation than Hamas. The most logical solution is a diplomatic one; but it seems unlikely that Israel will negotiate on a non
-genocidal solution.


You must understand that domestic terrorism is not the same thing as international terrorism. An IDF soldier can deploy themselves from the USA or the UK and murder a group of Palestianian’s and sniff a dead Palestinian women’s knickers after the murder is done and her child is dead, for example. That person can then return to the USA or the UK and resume their lives there like it was nothing.

It’s a double standard. I hope that the professionals can step in and handle this mess properly that is logical and allows for humanitarian aid and assistance to those that need it whether they are Israeli or Palestinian.

Gaza has been donated millions, even billions in the last few decades for their welfare and infrastructure.

Hamas target and kill civilians to achieve their political aims. They are literally the definition of a terrorist organisation. I’ve been very critical of IDF’s tactics on this thread, but let’s not pretend that Hamas are not terrorists. As I’ve said repeatedly, both sides are very much to blame.

With the same logic, then, IDF are also terrorists but you haven’t referred to them as such in all your posts. They are both terrorist organisations