how could anyone be pro-israel?

Your first point really comes down to whether you believe a just war can be carried out, whether military action is justified at any point. Consider that when Hamas slaughtered the Israeli's at the concert, it was the equivelent of the French going to Wembley and doing the same. It was state sanctioned and as such, a military response from Israel is justifiable.

To use the old addage, if you are not prepared to lose a fight, don't start one. Those in Gaza can't whine like a female dog about Israel's response when they are the ones who start the fight.

The media undoubtadly favours the west (though the BBC gives a lot of airtime to Hamas supporters) but that's not really a shock or even a bad thing. The UK is part of a western world order with no real evidence that we will see any meaninful political change in this arena anytime soon.

Your later statemement is a fair one but brings me back to my initial point. For how long can Israel turn the other cheek. For me, it's reponse is justified and despite what people would like, war is not a clean affair. To win, moral sacrifices are nessesary.

Israel does have a fair claim to the territory unless one believes that historical claims should start only under the occupation of the Caliphates and not Rome or before. Ultimately, both Muslims and Jews have a fair and fairly ancient claim to the region but Israel exists, it exists legally as recognised by the UN in 1948. Everything after, is quibling around the edges.

This comment effectively is screaming that all of the Palestinians are in favour of Hams when this is far from the truth. Regardless of if a war is commited, you cant' justify the use of war crimes and the banning of basic supplies such as food and water which is killing much more innocent people. At the end of the day, more innocent palestinians have been murdered than the Israelis throughout the war, its not really a moral sacrifice but just basic human empathy really.

With regards to having a fair claim- This I agree but they do not have fair claim to territory that was given to palestinians. I'm talking post 1945, forget about the ones before. But a clear divide was made and in the end te Israelis disobeyed from that divide. Thats just facts.

When did Isreal disobey a divide?

so i am not palestinian but i would define myself as pro-palestine. i feel as if i have educated myself widely enough to understand what is happening in gaza currently and what has been happening for years. i will not explain what is happening as that would stray away from why i made this discussion. the reason i made this discussion is because i've been seeing alot of celebrities or people with a wide platform staying silent to this issue or posting 'praying for israel' on their social media platforms. and i genuinely sat down on my desk and thought... 'am i missing something here?' how could someone be pro-israel, i'd like an explanation. i understand this issue has been happening for years, way before i was born, but people are using the hamas as an excuse to victimise israel. what did people expect? palestine was just going sit back, relax and allow their people to be killed and ethnically cleansed? anyways, could someone explain to me why anyone would be pro-israel?

The whole thing is so upsetting to see

so i am not palestinian but i would define myself as pro-palestine. i feel as if i have educated myself widely enough to understand what is happening in gaza currently and what has been happening for years. i will not explain what is happening as that would stray away from why i made this discussion. the reason i made this discussion is because i've been seeing alot of celebrities or people with a wide platform staying silent to this issue or posting 'praying for israel' on their social media platforms. and i genuinely sat down on my desk and thought... 'am i missing something here?' how could someone be pro-israel, i'd like an explanation. i understand this issue has been happening for years, way before i was born, but people are using the hamas as an excuse to victimise israel. what did people expect? palestine was just going sit back, relax and allow their people to be killed and ethnically cleansed? anyways, could someone explain to me why anyone would be pro-israel?

When they started making settlements on land that is not theirs

At the end of the day, this argyument always boils down to one phrase, 'Israel has a right to exist', the only issue is no one has ever actually provided a decent reason (aside from not permitting them to be driven into the sea) as to why Israel has a right to exist, or at least there. Anicent history not being any sort of a claim on modern land after all, lest we be a province of Rome.
As to the UN, we all know that their say on the matter is beneath contempt for all parties.

so i am not palestinian but i would define myself as pro-palestine. i feel as if i have educated myself widely enough to understand what is happening in gaza currently and what has been happening for years. i will not explain what is happening as that would stray away from why i made this discussion. the reason i made this discussion is because i've been seeing alot of celebrities or people with a wide platform staying silent to this issue or posting 'praying for israel' on their social media platforms. and i genuinely sat down on my desk and thought... 'am i missing something here?' how could someone be pro-israel, i'd like an explanation. i understand this issue has been happening for years, way before i was born, but people are using the hamas as an excuse to victimise israel. what did people expect? palestine was just going sit back, relax and allow their people to be killed and ethnically cleansed? anyways, could someone explain to me why anyone would be pro-israel?

1) Palestinians are not being ethnically cleansed. Indeed, those in Gaza have the highest fertility rate of any group in Israel.

2) Hamas is the political arm of a terrorist organization and frequently makes unprovoked attacks upon Israel and has stated that they wish to eradicate Israel.

3) Hamas is essentially a dictatorship that has not held free and fair elections since 2007 when they came to power.

4) Israel is a wealthy market democracy in a sea of theocracies and failed states.

5) Israel is much more alligned with the western world vs Hamas who are armed by Iran.

6) Israel has a fair claim to the territory

Most importantly though, it is in the UK's self interest for Israel to persevere. At least in this conflict since they are part of the western world.

You make some fair points. However, we didn't have a problem with the Russian dictatorship until it did the wrong thing. Nor do we have any condemning problems with other dictatorships in the UAE, China, or parts of South America. I believe Israel have made various unprovoked attacks on outside interests citing security concerns and of course there is the ongoing illegal settlements which spring up from time to time out of no where. I really do not understand a claim for territory that goes back thousands of years. Either way, if you take land of people you shouldn't be surprised if they get a bit upset about it.

Regardless, both sides ack as badly as each other. What we do know is that whereas Hamas' original attack was horrendous, Israel of more than out done themselves in showing themselves to be equally if not more barbaric in the intervening two weeks. If the target is Hamas, why are they punishing the citizens of Gaza who as you claim have not voted for Hamas? The claims they are trying to hit Hamas is just as ridiculous especially as the recently freed hostages have stated they were kept in tunnels.

Hint to Israel - Hamas are in the tunnels!

How are citizens being punished?

Are you suggesting that bombing schools, hospitals, infrastructure, homes isn't a punishment to say nothing of the fact they are now under siege and have no access to the basics required for life? Meanwhile the majority of Israelis go about their everyday life.

Are you suggesting that bombing schools, hospitals, infrastructure, homes isn't a punishment to say nothing of the fact they are now under siege and have no access to the basics required for life? Meanwhile the majority of Israelis go about their everyday life.

Hammas did all that to Isreal. Is Hammas punishing Isreal?

Otherwise no. Bombing locations where your enemy is located is not evidence for punishment.

I'm not sure shutting off the fuel supply to the region counts as a targetted approach towards 'your enemy'.

Hammas did all that to Isreal. Is Hammas punishing Isreal?

Otherwise no. Bombing locations where your enemy is located is not evidence for punishment.

To say isreal goes back to everyday life is short side of blind. They live everyday knowing some rocket is going to fly over head. People are known to walk with guards so they dont get stabbed from hammas terrorists. They living in fear and tiredness just the same.