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Girls find only 20% of guys attractive

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Original post by Kawasa
It means the goodlooking guys get more than 20% of girls. The goodlooking guys that girls find attractive (also called Chads)have the top 20% of girls and also the girls below. They leave only the ugly girls at the bottom, so guys perceived as unattractive have to settle for ugly girls and some guys are left with nothing.

Stop using incel terminology if you're being serious about making points.

I'm confused what your post is getting at. You say only 20% of guys are attractive to girls, so essentially 80% are "unattractive". Why is it an issue then that they get with ugly girls?
Maybe they're both undesirable to the top 20% but are actually very desirable to one another??
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Original post by Dunnig Kruger
You and I know that incel dogma is a load of bunkum.

And that it's perpetuated by a load of men that have zero or close to zero sexual experience with women. (There's a major incel forum that bans any members that have sex with women)
And that these men create over-simplified models of the world. With large dollops of their imagination thrown in. And large amounts of confirmation bias.

And that it's almost impossible for a non incel to persuade an incel to leave the incel cult. Because that's how cults work. Siege mentality, us against the world, throw in some surface logic with your teachings, give people the cult's solution to an issue. Etc.

Not grasping what I’m saying at all, with this rambling push back.
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Original post by Jaffacake1212
Stop using incel terminology if you're being serious about making points.

I'm confused what your post is getting at. You say only 20% of guys are attractive to girls, so essentially 80% are "unattractive". Why is it an issue then that they get with ugly girls?
Maybe they're both undesirable to the top 20% but are actually very desirable to one another??

It's an issue for the guys who are not in the 20% that girls like. They will be disappointed and unhappy to realise they can only have an ugly fat girl
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Original post by Dunnig Kruger
This top 20% of guys lookswise. Are they having one night stand type hook-ups? Or are they in ongoing long term relationships with women - in your opinion?

If they're having short term hook-ups I don't see the issue in that for the rest of us outside of this 20% group of yours. Because all these handsome guys have done is to take a woman off the market for a few days. And then she'll be back being single and available again.

If you think that "chads" are significantly more likely to be in ongoing relationships with 2 or more women, on what scientific evidence are you basing that on?

Did you ever watch the Jeremy Kyle show? How did the guests on that show fit your model?

Chads take girls out of the market for years because girls wait for them. Girls would rather stay single for some time and wait for Chad rather than being stuck with an unattractive guy. A Chad can easily have 10 girls in his prime, so the numbers are correct. The top 15-20% of guys take all the girls
Original post by Kawasa
It's an issue for the guys who are not in the 20% that girls like. They will be disappointed and unhappy to realise they can only have an ugly fat girl

So it's a problem for guys to get stuck with "the ugly fat person" but not girls?

Also, someone you might deem "fat and ugly" isn't that to everyone!!!
I enjoyed that the diagram completely contradicted the early point; that dating didn't used to be equitable for women, as they were at a financial disadvantage and couldn't afford to be picky. If that were the case then on the pre-revolution side the bottom rungs for females would be arrowless, and the women above would have arrows directed to the less conventionally attractive men.

Sweet MS Paint skills though.
Original post by Kawasa
It's an issue for the guys who are not in the 20% that girls like. They will be disappointed and unhappy to realise they can only have an ugly fat girl

My face is not in the top 20%.

Are you saying that I can only have an ugly fat woman? :smile:
This might be true on dating apps, but you have to understand dating apps are not reality. This isn't true in real life otherwise society would actually not survive. Ya'll need to get off the dating apps, they're just super toxic.

Oh man, just realised who the OP of this is..
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Original post by Demons99
This might be true on dating apps, but you have to understand dating apps are not reality. This isn't true in real life otherwise society would actually not survive. Ya'll need to get off the dating apps, they're just super toxic.

Oh man, just realised who the OP of this is..

Original post by Demons99
This might be true on dating apps, but you have to understand dating apps are not reality. This isn't true in real life otherwise society would actually not survive. Ya'll need to get off the dating apps, they're just super toxic.

Oh man, just realised who the OP of this is..

Millions of people use dating apps, most relationships today are created online. The point still stands even off dating apps. Girls are only attracted to the 15-20% of guys in the top, the others are invisible to them. Society has survived because it's a new trend, in the past women weren't free to do what they wanted and internet didn't exist. That's why 63% of guys are single and society is aging with few births, for example there are no births in South Korea. It's confirmed by girls themselves, you can read thousands of comments on Reddit for example by girls who confirm this
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Original post by Dunnig Kruger
My face is not in the top 20%.

Are you saying that I can only have an ugly fat woman? :smile:

That's how it is. If you're not in the 15-20% girls don't find you attractive so you're invisible to them. Even a 5 girl can have goodlooking guys who are 8 at her fingers so why should they choose you instead? That's why 63% of guys are single, they prefer to be single rather than having an ugly girl
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Original post by Admit-One
I enjoyed that the diagram completely contradicted the early point; that dating didn't used to be equitable for women, as they were at a financial disadvantage and couldn't afford to be picky. If that were the case then on the pre-revolution side the bottom rungs for females would be arrowless, and the women above would have arrows directed to the less conventionally attractive men.

Sweet MS Paint skills though.

There isn't contradiction, women in the past weren't free to do what they wanted and the power was held by men only. So women had to accept men they weren't attracted to. Girls are hypergamous so they date only guys over their league (just look at the height thing, nearly all girls want to date guys taller than them), this means the guys at the top get lots of girls and the guys at the bottom get no girls.
Original post by Kawasa
That's how it is. If you're not in the 15-20% girls don't find you attractive so you're invisible to them. Even a 5 girl can have goodlooking guys who are 8 at her fingers so why should they choose you instead? That's why 63% of guys are single, they prefer to be single rather than having an ugly girl

That's how it is in general?
Or that's how it is always, in your opinion?
Original post by Kawasa
That's how it is. If you're not in the 15-20% girls don't find you attractive so you're invisible to them. Even a 5 girl can have goodlooking guys who are 8 at her fingers so why should they choose you instead? That's why 63% of guys are single, they prefer to be single rather than having an ugly girl

So according to you it's guys faults they're single then because they "don't want a fat ugly girl".

I'd love to hear your take on this situation from another perspective.

If the case is as above then maybe you need stop framing the situation as "women don't like 80% of men 😱" And instead "63% of men are shallow and don't value women beyond their looks".

You're upset about the 20% thing, but can you tell me how "ugly" women are supposed to feel knowing 63% of men would rather be single than be with them?
Original post by Kawasa
That's how it is. If you're not in the 15-20% girls don't find you attractive so you're invisible to them. Even a 5 girl can have goodlooking guys who are 8 at her fingers so why should they choose you instead? That's why 63% of guys are single, they prefer to be single rather than having an ugly girl

Load of nonsense.
Different women often have very different ambitions, preferences and contrasting beauty standards.
Online and offline.

Predatory guys who are unemployed serious criminals with drug habits and no basic manners or loyalty still manage to find women interested in being their gf/wife/baby momma.
Even the convicted terrorists, paedophiles, serial killers on death row and Charles Bronson's of this world.

There are also lots of insecure women who are feeders, targeting very overweight men with limited money & friends or serious health problems because they want a bf who will be very dependent and unlikely to ever leave them.

Plenty of average women know that there is no point wasting their time with a stunning looking sexually hot guy who is not interested in anything beyond convenient casual sex, money or to lie and freeload his way through life.
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Original post by Kawasa
It means the goodlooking guys get more than 20% of girls. The goodlooking guys that girls find attractive (also called Chads)have the top 20% of girls and also the girls below. They leave only the ugly girls at the bottom, so guys perceived as unattractive have to settle for ugly girls and some guys are left with nothing.

Your photograph shows 60% of guys getting their **** wet though?
Original post by Kawasa
Millions of people use dating apps, most relationships today are created online. The point still stands even off dating apps. Girls are only attracted to the 15-20% of guys in the top, the others are invisible to them. Society has survived because it's a new trend, in the past women weren't free to do what they wanted and internet didn't exist. That's why 63% of guys are single and society is aging with few births, for example there are no births in South Korea. It's confirmed by girls themselves, you can read thousands of comments on Reddit for example by girls who confirm this

The people that use dating apps are still relatively small compared to the ones who dont, the quality of people on dating apps tend to be quite low, and most people aren't in relationships created due to dating apps. I'm not sure where you got that from. You listen to too much red pill nonsense and all your talking points are like from someone on a fresh and fit podcast.

What exactly do the guys at the top, like 10% 20% look like to you? your numbers make zero sense, and you're acting like all women are these super hot models that only sleep with the rich handsome athletes and ignore all other men.. you've never seen average people dating other average people? People in general date those who share similarities with them, a woman from an upper class family with a good paying job is going to look for a man also from an upper class family with a similar or higher paying job, a woman who's a model is gonna look for a guy who's a model or in a similar lifestyle to her, an average woman is gonna look for an average guy, etc.. generally speaking. We're attracted to things that are familiar to us.

On dating apps this is different because like I said, most women don't take dating apps seriously and they do act more picky and more superficial on them (as do men), so yes they're more likely to swipe right on men who are out of their league so to speak; just like all men swipe on the very attractive women even though they have no chance. EVERYBODY on dating apps swipes on the best people they think they can get with because it's all a stupid smash or pass game.

What you don't understand is that most women fall in love with personality and character, not superficial looks, they're not wired like men are. Which is why dating apps don't work for women because all you're seeing is people's outer looks. For the love of god stop listening to the youtube manosphere, none of these guys even have happy marriages and they're all damaged and narcissistic.
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Original post by Kawasa
Chads take girls out of the market for years because girls wait for them. Girls would rather stay single for some time and wait for Chad rather than being stuck with an unattractive guy. A Chad can easily have 10 girls in his prime, so the numbers are correct. The top 15-20% of guys take all the girls

You raise a point that should be acknowledged. According to this Pew research:

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/08/PSDT_08.19.20_dating.relationships-015.png

Far more men are single than women are, up until the age of 65+. In this case, 49% of men aged 18-29 consider themselves in a relationship, compared to 68% of women. If we take your top 20% number as fact, that would mean:

29% of men have 1 girlfriend, 20 % of men have 1.95 girls 'On the side'. That's assuming that absolutely no women are dating older men, which isn't right.

On the other hand, if we assume that only 5% of men get all the women, that would mean the top 5% have 5 women on the go at any one time, taking up 24% of the female population. That's significant, and certainly bad for you, but it's not the same as saying that 20% of men get all the women. The truth is 49% of men get 68% of women. If you're not in the bottom 50% of humanity, you probably will date someone.

The worst-case scenario for you is that 24% of women(Almost 1/4) are sleeping with 5% of men.
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Original post by ThatOldGuy
You raise a point that should be acknowledged. According to this Pew research:

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/08/PSDT_08.19.20_dating.relationships-015.png

Far more men are single than women are, up until the age of 65+. In this case, 49% of men aged 18-29 consider themselves in a relationship, compared to 68% of women. If we take your top 20% number as fact, that would mean:

29% of men have 1 girlfriend, 20 % of men have 1.95 girls 'On the side'. That's assuming that absolutely no women are dating older men, which isn't right.

On the other hand, if we assume that only 5% of men get all the women, that would mean the top 5% have 5 women on the go at any one time, taking up 24% of the female population. That's significant, and certainly bad for you, but it's not the same as saying that 20% of men get all the women. The truth is 49% of men get 68% of women. If you're not in the bottom 50% of humanity, you probably will date someone.

The worst-case scenario for you is that 24% of women(Almost 1/4) are sleeping with 5% of men.

You mix old people with new generations. Only 15-20% of guys are viewed as attractive by girls. Past generations didn't have equal rights, feminism, social freedom and internet. Hypergamy always existed but women weren't free to do it. Today they're free to do what they want and it means 20% of guys have nearly all the girls, leaving just the worst looking ones to the other guys.
Original post by Kawasa
You mix old people with new generations. Only 15-20% of guys are viewed as attractive by girls. Past generations didn't have equal rights, feminism, social freedom and internet. Hypergamy always existed but women weren't free to do it. Today they're free to do what they want and it means 20% of guys have nearly all the girls, leaving just the worst looking ones to the other guys.

That's a rum deal for the girls. Having to share their boyfriends with an average of about 3.5 other Chadophile women.

Any woman that fits your world model has my deepest sympathies.
Bearing in mind that it would be a reasonable assumption to say that about 50% of Chads have worse personalities than the average man.
So that - give or take a bit - according to what you say; about 40% of women would be stuck in some sort of nightmare time-share with a few other women with a man that has a poor to sub-mediocre personality.

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